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[PMF] Current status [message #484729] Tue, 08 September 2009 23:59 Go to next message
Ilyas Keser is currently offline Ilyas KeserFriend
Messages: 85
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Member
Hi,

I read the proposal about PMF. I think it would be one of the most
popular Eclipse projects. Where can I get more information about the
current status of PMF? Is there already a PIM level metamodel (as
mentioned in
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.modeling/msg00 479.html)?

Is it possible to follow PMF developer mailing list and access the
source code (via CVS/SVN)?

Thanks
ILyas
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #484738 is a reply to message #484729] Wed, 09 September 2009 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van DamFriend
Messages: 38
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Hello Ilyas,

Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon as
we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
helpers...
You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev

You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As you
just did ;-)

Thx,

Jim

Ilyas Keser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I read the proposal about PMF. I think it would be one of the most
> popular Eclipse projects. Where can I get more information about the
> current status of PMF? Is there already a PIM level metamodel (as
> mentioned in
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.modeling/msg00 479.html)?
>
> Is it possible to follow PMF developer mailing list and access the
> source code (via CVS/SVN)?
>
> Thanks
> ILyas
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #485016 is a reply to message #484738] Thu, 10 September 2009 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ilyas Keser is currently offline Ilyas KeserFriend
Messages: 85
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Jim,

> Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
> We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
> committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon as
> we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
> helpers...
> You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev

Thank you for your answer. I subscribed myself to the pmf-dev mailinglist.

>
> You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
> intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
> cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As you
> just did ;-)

Thanks. I have some additional questions:

Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?

Another question is about the textual representation of the PMF models. Textual models have some advantages, for example they are simple to diff and better suited for teamwork. If I think about WPF, it provides a graphical editor to create the user interface and generates as result of the modeling process a XAML file. Additionally, there are already some textual DSLs for similar (specific) purposes:

- OASIS User Interface Markup Language (UIML)
- WebDSL (http://webdsl.org/webdslorg/home)
- WebML (http://www.webml.org/webml/page1.do)
- USIXMML (http://www.usixml.org/index.php?mod=pages&id=2)
- ...

Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?

Regars,
ILyas
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #485119 is a reply to message #485016] Thu, 10 September 2009 14:39 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van DamFriend
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Ilyas,

> Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?
Yes, but we will start out by using an EMF-based tree-type editor.

> Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?
Yes, that is also a goal, but not for the first release.
I know of a couple of efforts providing textual editors in the UI
modeling world (WebDSL is from 'my' university) and am actually involved
with one of these at mod4J. I try to keep in touch with some of the UI
modeling projects so we can either join forces or at least learn from
each other.

We plan to have a few different target environments to demonstrate the
capabilities (e4, EMF-live-model, JFace), but I expect us to start
simple at the editor part and first have the full chain up and running.

Regards,

Jim


Ilyas Keser wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
>> Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
>> We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
>> committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon
>> as we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
>> helpers...
>> You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev
>
> Thank you for your answer. I subscribed myself to the pmf-dev mailinglist.
>
>>
>> You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
>> intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
>> cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As
>> you just did ;-)
>
> Thanks. I have some additional questions:
>
> Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?
> Another question is about the textual representation of the PMF models.
> Textual models have some advantages, for example they are simple to diff
> and better suited for teamwork. If I think about WPF, it provides a
> graphical editor to create the user interface and generates as result of
> the modeling process a XAML file. Additionally, there are already some
> textual DSLs for similar (specific) purposes:
>
> - OASIS User Interface Markup Language (UIML)
> - WebDSL (http://webdsl.org/webdslorg/home)
> - WebML (http://www.webml.org/webml/page1.do)
> - USIXMML (http://www.usixml.org/index.php?mod=pages&id=2)
> - ...
>
> Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?
> Regars,
> ILyas
>
>
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #618209 is a reply to message #484729] Wed, 09 September 2009 05:24 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van DamFriend
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Ilyas,

Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon as
we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
helpers...
You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev

You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As you
just did ;-)

Thx,

Jim

Ilyas Keser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I read the proposal about PMF. I think it would be one of the most
> popular Eclipse projects. Where can I get more information about the
> current status of PMF? Is there already a PIM level metamodel (as
> mentioned in
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.modeling/msg00 479.html)?
>
> Is it possible to follow PMF developer mailing list and access the
> source code (via CVS/SVN)?
>
> Thanks
> ILyas
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #618210 is a reply to message #484738] Thu, 10 September 2009 09:06 Go to previous message
Ilyas Keser is currently offline Ilyas KeserFriend
Messages: 85
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Jim,

> Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
> We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
> committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon as
> we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
> helpers...
> You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev

Thank you for your answer. I subscribed myself to the pmf-dev mailinglist.

>
> You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
> intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
> cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As you
> just did ;-)

Thanks. I have some additional questions:

Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?

Another question is about the textual representation of the PMF models. Textual models have some advantages, for example they are simple to diff and better suited for teamwork. If I think about WPF, it provides a graphical editor to create the user interface and generates as result of the modeling process a XAML file. Additionally, there are already some textual DSLs for similar (specific) purposes:

- OASIS User Interface Markup Language (UIML)
- WebDSL (http://webdsl.org/webdslorg/home)
- WebML (http://www.webml.org/webml/page1.do)
- USIXMML (http://www.usixml.org/index.php?mod=pages&id=2)
- ...

Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?

Regars,
ILyas
Re: [PMF] Current status [message #618212 is a reply to message #485016] Thu, 10 September 2009 14:39 Go to previous message
Jim Van Dam is currently offline Jim Van DamFriend
Messages: 38
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Ilyas,

> Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?
Yes, but we will start out by using an EMF-based tree-type editor.

> Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?
Yes, that is also a goal, but not for the first release.
I know of a couple of efforts providing textual editors in the UI
modeling world (WebDSL is from 'my' university) and am actually involved
with one of these at mod4J. I try to keep in touch with some of the UI
modeling projects so we can either join forces or at least learn from
each other.

We plan to have a few different target environments to demonstrate the
capabilities (e4, EMF-live-model, JFace), but I expect us to start
simple at the editor part and first have the full chain up and running.

Regards,

Jim


Ilyas Keser wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
>> Good to hear you believe the goals of PMF are important too.
>> We are in the process of merging the contributions of the initial
>> committers. That is not checked in yet, but we hope to post that soon
>> as we are looking forward to getting feedback and ofcourse additional
>> helpers...
>> You can subscribe to the pmf-dev list through
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pmf-dev
>
> Thank you for your answer. I subscribed myself to the pmf-dev mailinglist.
>
>>
>> You can also look at the demos of both Yves and Olivier for a quick
>> intro. In the meantime, if you have questions, suggestions or a use
>> cases for PMF you would like to share, feel free to post it here. As
>> you just did ;-)
>
> Thanks. I have some additional questions:
>
> Is it planned to provide a graphical editor to create PMF models?
> Another question is about the textual representation of the PMF models.
> Textual models have some advantages, for example they are simple to diff
> and better suited for teamwork. If I think about WPF, it provides a
> graphical editor to create the user interface and generates as result of
> the modeling process a XAML file. Additionally, there are already some
> textual DSLs for similar (specific) purposes:
>
> - OASIS User Interface Markup Language (UIML)
> - WebDSL (http://webdsl.org/webdslorg/home)
> - WebML (http://www.webml.org/webml/page1.do)
> - USIXMML (http://www.usixml.org/index.php?mod=pages&id=2)
> - ...
>
> Is it planned to provide a textual DSL for PMF?
> Regars,
> ILyas
>
>
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