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1st steps - touch'n base [message #483437] Tue, 01 September 2009 15:38 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: employment.genuitec.com

Following is a msg I posted to the blinki maillist last week. Since not
everyone follows that list I'm reposting it here.
---------------------
Hi All,

I'm excited to finally be able to put some energy into the Blinki project. I
realize the project has been idle for quite sometime. That is behind us now
and we are moving forward. Before sharing a couple of details about upcoming
Blinki activities I would like to reflect for a moment on the growing
interest in mobile web and in general the rapid recognition of the role
HTML5 and the smartphone browser are playing in changing mobile use
patterns. A few cool major developments include:

- Google announcing that mobile web is at the heart of its mobile strategy
- adoption of the WebKit engine continues to grow as more and more
smartphones in the dev pipeline are announcing plans to ship with it
- growing disillusionment with the AppStore; Google claims the AppStores are
temporary (Do you agree?)

Ok enough reflection. So what's up with Blinki you may ask?

The first bit of news is we are preparing to OSS our WebKit4SWT codebase
next week. We had hoped to do this well before now but had a couple of
murphy's law incidences that have held us up. While I have worked with and
followed Eclipse closely since its initial OSS, I have not been through the
IP process. So this will be a learning process for the team and me. I'll
post more details as we get that codebase ready for the IP process.

The second development is mobile web framework research that Greg Amerson
and I are conducting. So far we have been working with PhoneGap to get 1st
hand knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. We plan to look at several
other similar frameworks as background research for Blinki. We will be
sharing our findings as they become available. If you have experience with
any of the PhoneGap-like frameworks we welcome you input.

Wayne

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Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #483531 is a reply to message #483437] Tue, 01 September 2009 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
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Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the update. At least the WebKit4SWT browser I also noticed.
So is that primarily an emulator for Widgets and WebApps or should it run
also on actual devices?

If you haven't come across the Vodafone approach (actually they have at
least 2, and for some areas JME still seems high on their agenda ;-)
I hope, this may also help your research.

Werner

"Genuitec" <employment@genuitec.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:h7jf73$16u$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Following is a msg I posted to the blinki maillist last week. Since not
> everyone follows that list I'm reposting it here.
> ---------------------
> Hi All,
>
> I'm excited to finally be able to put some energy into the Blinki project.
> I realize the project has been idle for quite sometime. That is behind us
> now and we are moving forward. Before sharing a couple of details about
> upcoming Blinki activities I would like to reflect for a moment on the
> growing interest in mobile web and in general the rapid recognition of the
> role HTML5 and the smartphone browser are playing in changing mobile use
> patterns. A few cool major developments include:
>
> - Google announcing that mobile web is at the heart of its mobile strategy
> - adoption of the WebKit engine continues to grow as more and more
> smartphones in the dev pipeline are announcing plans to ship with it
> - growing disillusionment with the AppStore; Google claims the AppStores
> are temporary (Do you agree?)
>
> Ok enough reflection. So what's up with Blinki you may ask?
>
> The first bit of news is we are preparing to OSS our WebKit4SWT codebase
> next week. We had hoped to do this well before now but had a couple of
> murphy's law incidences that have held us up. While I have worked with
> and followed Eclipse closely since its initial OSS, I have not been
> through the IP process. So this will be a learning process for the team
> and me. I'll post more details as we get that codebase ready for the IP
> process.
>
> The second development is mobile web framework research that Greg Amerson
> and I are conducting. So far we have been working with PhoneGap to get 1st
> hand knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. We plan to look at several
> other similar frameworks as background research for Blinki. We will be
> sharing our findings as they become available. If you have experience with
> any of the PhoneGap-like frameworks we welcome you input.
>
> Wayne
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blinki-dev mailing list
> blinki-dev@eclipse.org
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/blinki-dev
>
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #483646 is a reply to message #483531] Wed, 02 September 2009 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parrott is currently offline Wayne ParrottFriend
Messages: 84
Registered: July 2009
Member
Our current thoughts are to limit our webkit development to support widget
and framework development and testing.

Vodafone's approach is on our radar as are a number of other mobile
framework initiatives.

W

"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:h7k4r9$utc$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Thanks for the update. At least the WebKit4SWT browser I also noticed.
> So is that primarily an emulator for Widgets and WebApps or should it run
> also on actual devices?
>
> If you haven't come across the Vodafone approach (actually they have at
> least 2, and for some areas JME still seems high on their agenda ;-)
> I hope, this may also help your research.
>
> Werner
>
> "Genuitec" <employment@genuitec.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:h7jf73$16u$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Following is a msg I posted to the blinki maillist last week. Since not
>> everyone follows that list I'm reposting it here.
>> ---------------------
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm excited to finally be able to put some energy into the Blinki
>> project. I realize the project has been idle for quite sometime. That is
>> behind us now and we are moving forward. Before sharing a couple of
>> details about upcoming Blinki activities I would like to reflect for a
>> moment on the growing interest in mobile web and in general the rapid
>> recognition of the role HTML5 and the smartphone browser are playing in
>> changing mobile use patterns. A few cool major developments include:
>>
>> - Google announcing that mobile web is at the heart of its mobile
>> strategy
>> - adoption of the WebKit engine continues to grow as more and more
>> smartphones in the dev pipeline are announcing plans to ship with it
>> - growing disillusionment with the AppStore; Google claims the AppStores
>> are temporary (Do you agree?)
>>
>> Ok enough reflection. So what's up with Blinki you may ask?
>>
>> The first bit of news is we are preparing to OSS our WebKit4SWT codebase
>> next week. We had hoped to do this well before now but had a couple of
>> murphy's law incidences that have held us up. While I have worked with
>> and followed Eclipse closely since its initial OSS, I have not been
>> through the IP process. So this will be a learning process for the team
>> and me. I'll post more details as we get that codebase ready for the IP
>> process.
>>
>> The second development is mobile web framework research that Greg Amerson
>> and I are conducting. So far we have been working with PhoneGap to get
>> 1st hand knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. We plan to look at
>> several other similar frameworks as background research for Blinki. We
>> will be sharing our findings as they become available. If you have
>> experience with any of the PhoneGap-like frameworks we welcome you input.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blinki-dev mailing list
>> blinki-dev@eclipse.org
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/blinki-dev
>>
>
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #483719 is a reply to message #483646] Wed, 02 September 2009 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
What except the iPhone native browsers (which you may certainly emulate, but
there are other solutions in and outside Eclipse) are you targeting then?

It seems pretty limiting to the potential user base, but so do a number of
other mobile initiatives at the moment, too ;-)

W.
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #484282 is a reply to message #483437] Sat, 05 September 2009 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
If the Browser simply supports WebKit, then I also see little context with
mobile technologies so far.
Unless of course it is meant primarily to run on Mobile devices ??

I'll speak to Mike and the ME special interest group at JCP EC about this
kind of stuff next week. I told them about the project when it was created,
and whether or not there are other projects like RT to profit from this I'd
also be happy to discuss at ESE.

Are any of you coming there?
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #484515 is a reply to message #484282] Tue, 08 September 2009 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne Parrott is currently offline Wayne ParrottFriend
Messages: 84
Registered: July 2009
Member
"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:h7toak$7nb$1@build.eclipse.org...
> If the Browser simply supports WebKit, then I also see little context with
> mobile technologies so far.
> Unless of course it is meant primarily to run on Mobile devices ??
>

One aspect of the blinki project is to develop mobile web tool frameworks.
Thus a WebKit rendering capability provides a good core technology upon
which to develop an "initial" implementation. We are not developing a mobile
browser to run on any device but rather providing basic core rendering
facilities to embed with in Eclipse-based tools. I talked a little about
this in the project proposal.

Wayne
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #484958 is a reply to message #484515] Wed, 09 September 2009 22:41 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It still makes it sound a little caught between WTP and Mobile, but Pulsar
may over time cover some of that if it keeps advancing I'd guess

Werner
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562340 is a reply to message #483437] Tue, 01 September 2009 21:48 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the update. At least the WebKit4SWT browser I also noticed.
So is that primarily an emulator for Widgets and WebApps or should it run
also on actual devices?

If you haven't come across the Vodafone approach (actually they have at
least 2, and for some areas JME still seems high on their agenda ;-)
I hope, this may also help your research.

Werner

"Genuitec" <employment@genuitec.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:h7jf73$16u$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Following is a msg I posted to the blinki maillist last week. Since not
> everyone follows that list I'm reposting it here.
> ---------------------
> Hi All,
>
> I'm excited to finally be able to put some energy into the Blinki project.
> I realize the project has been idle for quite sometime. That is behind us
> now and we are moving forward. Before sharing a couple of details about
> upcoming Blinki activities I would like to reflect for a moment on the
> growing interest in mobile web and in general the rapid recognition of the
> role HTML5 and the smartphone browser are playing in changing mobile use
> patterns. A few cool major developments include:
>
> - Google announcing that mobile web is at the heart of its mobile strategy
> - adoption of the WebKit engine continues to grow as more and more
> smartphones in the dev pipeline are announcing plans to ship with it
> - growing disillusionment with the AppStore; Google claims the AppStores
> are temporary (Do you agree?)
>
> Ok enough reflection. So what's up with Blinki you may ask?
>
> The first bit of news is we are preparing to OSS our WebKit4SWT codebase
> next week. We had hoped to do this well before now but had a couple of
> murphy's law incidences that have held us up. While I have worked with
> and followed Eclipse closely since its initial OSS, I have not been
> through the IP process. So this will be a learning process for the team
> and me. I'll post more details as we get that codebase ready for the IP
> process.
>
> The second development is mobile web framework research that Greg Amerson
> and I are conducting. So far we have been working with PhoneGap to get 1st
> hand knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. We plan to look at several
> other similar frameworks as background research for Blinki. We will be
> sharing our findings as they become available. If you have experience with
> any of the PhoneGap-like frameworks we welcome you input.
>
> Wayne
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blinki-dev mailing list
> blinki-dev@eclipse.org
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/blinki-dev
>
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562365 is a reply to message #483531] Wed, 02 September 2009 13:01 Go to previous message
Wayne Parrott is currently offline Wayne ParrottFriend
Messages: 84
Registered: July 2009
Member
Our current thoughts are to limit our webkit development to support widget
and framework development and testing.

Vodafone's approach is on our radar as are a number of other mobile
framework initiatives.

W

"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:h7k4r9$utc$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Thanks for the update. At least the WebKit4SWT browser I also noticed.
> So is that primarily an emulator for Widgets and WebApps or should it run
> also on actual devices?
>
> If you haven't come across the Vodafone approach (actually they have at
> least 2, and for some areas JME still seems high on their agenda ;-)
> I hope, this may also help your research.
>
> Werner
>
> "Genuitec" <employment@genuitec.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:h7jf73$16u$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Following is a msg I posted to the blinki maillist last week. Since not
>> everyone follows that list I'm reposting it here.
>> ---------------------
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm excited to finally be able to put some energy into the Blinki
>> project. I realize the project has been idle for quite sometime. That is
>> behind us now and we are moving forward. Before sharing a couple of
>> details about upcoming Blinki activities I would like to reflect for a
>> moment on the growing interest in mobile web and in general the rapid
>> recognition of the role HTML5 and the smartphone browser are playing in
>> changing mobile use patterns. A few cool major developments include:
>>
>> - Google announcing that mobile web is at the heart of its mobile
>> strategy
>> - adoption of the WebKit engine continues to grow as more and more
>> smartphones in the dev pipeline are announcing plans to ship with it
>> - growing disillusionment with the AppStore; Google claims the AppStores
>> are temporary (Do you agree?)
>>
>> Ok enough reflection. So what's up with Blinki you may ask?
>>
>> The first bit of news is we are preparing to OSS our WebKit4SWT codebase
>> next week. We had hoped to do this well before now but had a couple of
>> murphy's law incidences that have held us up. While I have worked with
>> and followed Eclipse closely since its initial OSS, I have not been
>> through the IP process. So this will be a learning process for the team
>> and me. I'll post more details as we get that codebase ready for the IP
>> process.
>>
>> The second development is mobile web framework research that Greg Amerson
>> and I are conducting. So far we have been working with PhoneGap to get
>> 1st hand knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. We plan to look at
>> several other similar frameworks as background research for Blinki. We
>> will be sharing our findings as they become available. If you have
>> experience with any of the PhoneGap-like frameworks we welcome you input.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blinki-dev mailing list
>> blinki-dev@eclipse.org
>> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/blinki-dev
>>
>
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562392 is a reply to message #483646] Wed, 02 September 2009 17:07 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
What except the iPhone native browsers (which you may certainly emulate, but
there are other solutions in and outside Eclipse) are you targeting then?

It seems pretty limiting to the potential user base, but so do a number of
other mobile initiatives at the moment, too ;-)

W.
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562414 is a reply to message #483437] Sat, 05 September 2009 13:16 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
If the Browser simply supports WebKit, then I also see little context with
mobile technologies so far.
Unless of course it is meant primarily to run on Mobile devices ??

I'll speak to Mike and the ME special interest group at JCP EC about this
kind of stuff next week. I told them about the project when it was created,
and whether or not there are other projects like RT to profit from this I'd
also be happy to discuss at ESE.

Are any of you coming there?
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562437 is a reply to message #484282] Tue, 08 September 2009 01:50 Go to previous message
Wayne Parrott is currently offline Wayne ParrottFriend
Messages: 84
Registered: July 2009
Member
"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:h7toak$7nb$1@build.eclipse.org...
> If the Browser simply supports WebKit, then I also see little context with
> mobile technologies so far.
> Unless of course it is meant primarily to run on Mobile devices ??
>

One aspect of the blinki project is to develop mobile web tool frameworks.
Thus a WebKit rendering capability provides a good core technology upon
which to develop an "initial" implementation. We are not developing a mobile
browser to run on any device but rather providing basic core rendering
facilities to embed with in Eclipse-based tools. I talked a little about
this in the project proposal.

Wayne
Re: 1st steps - touch'n base [message #562461 is a reply to message #484515] Wed, 09 September 2009 22:41 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
Messages: 1085
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It still makes it sound a little caught between WTP and Mobile, but Pulsar
may over time cover some of that if it keeps advancing I'd guess

Werner
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