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Alternative UI [message #482973] Fri, 28 August 2009 18:53 Go to next message
Mario Winterer is currently offline Mario WintererFriend
Messages: 136
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi!

I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all examples
I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are completely
different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?

Examples:
+ iPhone like UI
+ http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
+ http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
etc.

Thanks,
Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #483011 is a reply to message #482973] Sat, 29 August 2009 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mario,

Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.

What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
improvements until 1.0.

I show an example of replacing them in my blog
http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.

Tom

Mario Winterer schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>
> Examples:
> + iPhone like UI
> +
> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
> etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #483012 is a reply to message #483011] Sat, 29 August 2009 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
This blog [1] shows an e4-RCP running on Qt-Jambi.

[1] http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/03/02/give-your-e4-app lication-a-modern-lookfeel/

Tom Schindl schrieb:
> Hi Mario,
>
> Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
> even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.
>
> What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
> default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
> of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
> improvements until 1.0.
>
> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
> but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.
>
> Tom
>
> Mario Winterer schrieb:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
>> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
>> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
>> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
>> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>>
>> Examples:
>> + iPhone like UI
>> +
>> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
>> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
>> etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #483015 is a reply to message #483011] Sat, 29 August 2009 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ivica Loncar is currently offline Ivica LoncarFriend
Messages: 41
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Tom,

> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
> SWT-Ribbon.

Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?

I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed interface
of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon seems easier
to implement


--
Ivica Loncar
Re: Alternative UI [message #483019 is a reply to message #483015] Sat, 29 August 2009 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui

Tom

Ivica Loncar schrieb:
> Hello Tom,
>
>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
>> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
>> SWT-Ribbon.
>
> Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?
> I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed
> interface of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon
> seems easier to implement
>
>
Re: Alternative UI [message #483027 is a reply to message #483019] Sat, 29 August 2009 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ivica Loncar is currently offline Ivica LoncarFriend
Messages: 41
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Tom,

> The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui
>
> Tom
>

Thanks for the answer Tom.

--
Ivica Loncar
Re: Alternative UI [message #483038 is a reply to message #483012] Sat, 29 August 2009 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mario Winterer is currently offline Mario WintererFriend
Messages: 136
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks!
Great stuff!
I think I'll have a closer look at UFaceKit & Co...

"Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@bestsolution.at> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:h7aqva$s3e$2@build.eclipse.org...
> This blog [1] shows an e4-RCP running on Qt-Jambi.
>
> [1] http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/03/02/give-your-e4-app lication-a-modern-lookfeel/
>
> Tom Schindl schrieb:
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
>> even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.
>>
>> What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
>> default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
>> of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
>> improvements until 1.0.
>>
>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
>> but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Mario Winterer schrieb:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
>>> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
>>> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
>>> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
>>> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>>>
>>> Examples:
>>> + iPhone like UI
>>> +
>>> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
>>> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #484450 is a reply to message #483019] Mon, 07 September 2009 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANGFriend
Messages: 687
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It said:
The license is provided at no cost. It is a royalty-free license.

Best regards
Yves YANG
"Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@bestsolution.at> wrote in message
news:h7b348$q2$1@build.eclipse.org...
> The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui
>
> Tom
>
> Ivica Loncar schrieb:
>> Hello Tom,
>>
>>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
>>> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
>>> SWT-Ribbon.
>>
>> Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?
>> I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed
>> interface of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon
>> seems easier to implement
>>
>>
Re: Alternative UI [message #485584 is a reply to message #482973] Sun, 13 September 2009 23:08 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
You might be interested in our discussion on the new presentation API in
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=288998

Tom

Mario Winterer schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>
> Examples:
> + iPhone like UI
> +
> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
> etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #562757 is a reply to message #482973] Sat, 29 August 2009 08:59 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mario,

Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.

What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
improvements until 1.0.

I show an example of replacing them in my blog
http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.

Tom

Mario Winterer schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>
> Examples:
> + iPhone like UI
> +
> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
> etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #562777 is a reply to message #483011] Sat, 29 August 2009 09:04 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
This blog [1] shows an e4-RCP running on Qt-Jambi.

[1] http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/03/02/give-your-e4-app lication-a-modern-lookfeel/

Tom Schindl schrieb:
> Hi Mario,
>
> Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
> even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.
>
> What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
> default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
> of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
> improvements until 1.0.
>
> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
> but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.
>
> Tom
>
> Mario Winterer schrieb:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
>> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
>> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
>> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
>> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>>
>> Examples:
>> + iPhone like UI
>> +
>> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
>> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
>> etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #562799 is a reply to message #483011] Sat, 29 August 2009 10:34 Go to previous message
Ivica Loncar is currently offline Ivica LoncarFriend
Messages: 41
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Tom,

> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
> SWT-Ribbon.

Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?

I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed interface
of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon seems easier
to implement


--
Ivica Loncar
Re: Alternative UI [message #562823 is a reply to message #483015] Sat, 29 August 2009 11:23 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui

Tom

Ivica Loncar schrieb:
> Hello Tom,
>
>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
>> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
>> SWT-Ribbon.
>
> Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?
> I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed
> interface of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon
> seems easier to implement
>
>
Re: Alternative UI [message #562846 is a reply to message #483019] Sat, 29 August 2009 12:58 Go to previous message
Ivica Loncar is currently offline Ivica LoncarFriend
Messages: 41
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hello Tom,

> The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui
>
> Tom
>

Thanks for the answer Tom.

--
Ivica Loncar
Re: Alternative UI [message #562873 is a reply to message #483012] Sat, 29 August 2009 19:42 Go to previous message
Mario Winterer is currently offline Mario WintererFriend
Messages: 136
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks!
Great stuff!
I think I'll have a closer look at UFaceKit & Co...

"Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@bestsolution.at> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:h7aqva$s3e$2@build.eclipse.org...
> This blog [1] shows an e4-RCP running on Qt-Jambi.
>
> [1] http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/03/02/give-your-e4-app lication-a-modern-lookfeel/
>
> Tom Schindl schrieb:
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Yes you can completely replace widgets who are making up the UI. You can
>> even use Swing, Qt, ... if you want to.
>>
>> What you need to do is to plug-in your own renders and remove the
>> default ones contributed through the renderer fragment. The 0.9 process
>> of writing a renderer though is not as simple but we are working on
>> improvements until 1.0.
>>
>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-applications/
>> but I can't release them because of the usage of the SWT-Ribbon.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Mario Winterer schrieb:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
>>> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
>>> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
>>> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
>>> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>>>
>>> Examples:
>>> + iPhone like UI
>>> +
>>> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
>>> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mario
Re: Alternative UI [message #563142 is a reply to message #483019] Mon, 07 September 2009 14:10 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANGFriend
Messages: 687
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
It said:
The license is provided at no cost. It is a royalty-free license.

Best regards
Yves YANG
"Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@bestsolution.at> wrote in message
news:h7b348$q2$1@build.eclipse.org...
> The Ribbon technology is protected by patents by M$ see
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/officeui
>
> Tom
>
> Ivica Loncar schrieb:
>> Hello Tom,
>>
>>> I show an example of replacing them in my blog
>>> http://tomsondev.bestsolution.at/2009/07/02/e4-a-new-area-fo r-rcpria-a
>>> pplications/ but I can't release them because of the usage of the
>>> SWT-Ribbon.
>>
>> Can you explain why is the SWT-Ribbon a problem?
>> I was thinking od replacing Plugins switcher with something like tabbed
>> interface of google chrome but new switcher/menu on top of SWT-Ribbon
>> seems easier to implement
>>
>>
Re: Alternative UI [message #563329 is a reply to message #482973] Sun, 13 September 2009 23:08 Go to previous message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
Messages: 5463
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
You might be interested in our discussion on the new presentation API in
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=288998

Tom

Mario Winterer schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm completely new to e4 and have only tried some of the UI demos.
> Although CSS-enabled SWT seems to be a substantial progress, all
> examples I've seens so far only play around with colors and fonts.
> Is it somehow possible to (easily) define/style UIs/L&Fs that are
> completely different to the existing Eclipse/SWT UI?
>
> Examples:
> + iPhone like UI
> +
> http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/043/c/2/WPF___XAML_UI _by_tahans.jpg
> + http://www.liveautomatic.com/images/stories/homeautomationsc reen.jpg
> etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Mario
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