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Legal and Distribution Query [message #48209] Fri, 10 August 2007 07:58 Go to next message
Amir Kouchekinia is currently offline Amir KouchekiniaFriend
Messages: 4
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
I have a soon to be released commercial plug-in which I'd like to
distribute pre-installed on my own Eclipse platform distribution.

First, I am uncertain on legal issues that may be involved in
distributing my own Eclipse bundle. I have looked at section 5.0 of
http://www.eclipse.org/legal/guidetolegaldoc.php, but without a law
degree, it is hard to understand exactly what it means. Any pointers to
an explanation of this document in plain English is appreciated.

Second, since the target users for my plug-in will most likely not be
developing any Java, RCP, or Plug-ins applications, I'd like my
distribution to contain only the absolute necessary plug-ins for the
platform (NO JDT, PDE, etc). To accomplish this, I've taken the Eclipse
distribution and removed almost all plug-ins (from the Product
Configuration GUI), and then restarted the workbench with the -clean
option. This seems to work well, but it is very time consuming. Is there
a better way to do this? Why doesn't the foundation provide a bare
minimum distribution?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Amir
Re: Legal and Distribution Query [message #48241 is a reply to message #48209] Fri, 10 August 2007 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: jacek.pospychala.pl.ibm.com

Amir,
I am not any representative of the Foundation. but anyway
in my opinion section 5.0, to which you refer says primarily you should
make it clear to all your customers, that you are provider of the
application. It's because they may be confused, since in a lot of places
it's stated that Eclipse Foundation is provider, but if you
redistribute, then you are provider and foundation is the origin of some
parts.
You can't simply modify files provided by Eclipse, to include your
license, instead you'd rather write a one clear single license that
informs your customer, that some parts of your product come from Eclipse.

You can also take a look at how others indicate that their applications
are based on Eclipse, eg. you might want to download a trial of IBM
Rational Application Developer and Adobe Flex Builder (not sure if there
is a trial). Afaik they have two different approaches, while IBM clearly
states RAD is on Eclipse, Adobe is not specially verbose about this.

Second, I guess, there is no one bare minimum distribution. For example,
one wants just few essencial headless plugins, other wants essence for
UI applications, and so on. Personally always when launching my plugins
I go to "Run", create new launch definition, unselect all plugins and
then select only mine and "Add Required plugins". Later you can create a
Product configuration and easily export your application.

Amir Kouchekinia wrote:
> I have a soon to be released commercial plug-in which I'd like to
> distribute pre-installed on my own Eclipse platform distribution.
>
> First, I am uncertain on legal issues that may be involved in
> distributing my own Eclipse bundle. I have looked at section 5.0 of
> http://www.eclipse.org/legal/guidetolegaldoc.php, but without a law
> degree, it is hard to understand exactly what it means. Any pointers
> to an explanation of this document in plain English is appreciated.
>
> Second, since the target users for my plug-in will most likely not be
> developing any Java, RCP, or Plug-ins applications, I'd like my
> distribution to contain only the absolute necessary plug-ins for the
> platform (NO JDT, PDE, etc). To accomplish this, I've taken the
> Eclipse distribution and removed almost all plug-ins (from the Product
> Configuration GUI), and then restarted the workbench with the -clean
> option. This seems to work well, but it is very time consuming. Is
> there a better way to do this? Why doesn't the foundation provide a
> bare minimum distribution?
>
> Thanks in advance for your response.
>
> Amir
Re: Legal and Distribution Query [message #48271 is a reply to message #48209] Fri, 10 August 2007 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

That's basically what the RCP is for.

Alex.
Re: Legal and Distribution Query [message #48299 is a reply to message #48271] Fri, 10 August 2007 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Amir Kouchekinia is currently offline Amir KouchekiniaFriend
Messages: 4
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
With RCP, would the end user still be able to download and install JDT,
or any other plug-in from the update site?

I am not a familiar with RCP development on Eclipse as I would like to
be. I am under the impression that RCP provides a framework for new
applications; i.e. the IDE characteristics of Eclipse would not be
present unless recreated by the application.

Amir


Alex Blewitt wrote:
> That's basically what the RCP is for.
>
> Alex.
Re: Legal and Distribution Query [message #48328 is a reply to message #48299] Fri, 10 August 2007 18:04 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

There are no IDE parts in the RCP distribution.

Alex.
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