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JWT actions [message #4018] Fri, 23 December 2005 21:05 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

As things are moving these last days a quick summary of actions which are
being taken and actions still to take :

- open public CVS (Open Wide)
- put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena)
- discuss about possible use of BPMN
- add people on proposal (Allen Young ? Others from Shanghai JiaoTong
University ? Optena Corp)

I think we should maybe have a conference call to see how things can
evolve. I'm going to see with Objectweb to see if we can get a conference
bridge.

Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #4057 is a reply to message #4018] Fri, 23 December 2005 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

forgot to mention to study the possible use of OMG APIs for workflow
administration.

Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #4127 is a reply to message #4057] Fri, 23 December 2005 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael N. Lipp is currently offline Michael N. Lipp
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Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
> forgot to mention to study the possible use of OMG APIs for workflow
> administration.

No, my fault. The original posting included the general statement "there
is no workflow API". When I mentioned the OMG API (and I did say that
this was a bit off topic) I meant it as a general remark, which was "a
bit off topic" because the OMG API is not for workflow process
*definition* administration but rather for accessing and controlling
running workflow processes. Just as everybody else who based their
workflow engine interface on the OMG API, we had to extend the API in
WfMOpen in order to handle definition management tasks.

A somewhat "standard" interface (SOAP, not API) for workflow process
definition management is Wf-XML (see http://www.wfmc.org). I do not
think that deployment of workflow process definitions into running
workflow engines should be a JWT 1.0 target. But if JWT is to support
something like accessing previously deployed process definitions and
deploying new or modified ones one day, then WfXML is certainly
something worth looking at.

Regards,

Michael
Re: JWT actions [message #4196 is a reply to message #4018] Sun, 25 December 2005 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: allemacyoung.gmail.com

I think there is another action to take.
We should open a public space (maybe ftp) to share what we find.
For example, we can put the specifications from wfmc on it.
This will save others' time and make sure that all of us are using the same
version of documentations, .etc.

What do you guys think?

Allen
"Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> ????
news:495ed61251a044d6202db9b6d4c9a710$1@www.eclipse.org...
> As things are moving these last days a quick summary of actions which are
> being taken and actions still to take :
>
> - open public CVS (Open Wide)
> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena)
> - discuss about possible use of BPMN
> - add people on proposal (Allen Young ? Others from Shanghai JiaoTong
> University ? Optena Corp)
>
> I think we should maybe have a conference call to see how things can
> evolve. I'm going to see with Objectweb to see if we can get a conference
> bridge.
>
> Fabrice
>
Re: JWT actions [message #4682 is a reply to message #4196] Sat, 31 December 2005 04:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: skreddy.optena.com

Yes, it makes sense.

--Surendra

"Allen Young" <allemacyoung@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dol5hf$q8f$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>I think there is another action to take.
> We should open a public space (maybe ftp) to share what we find.
> For example, we can put the specifications from wfmc on it.
> This will save others' time and make sure that all of us are using the
> same
> version of documentations, .etc.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Allen
> "Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> ????
> news:495ed61251a044d6202db9b6d4c9a710$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> As things are moving these last days a quick summary of actions which are
>> being taken and actions still to take :
>>
>> - open public CVS (Open Wide)
>> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena)
>> - discuss about possible use of BPMN
>> - add people on proposal (Allen Young ? Others from Shanghai JiaoTong
>> University ? Optena Corp)
>>
>> I think we should maybe have a conference call to see how things can
>> evolve. I'm going to see with Objectweb to see if we can get a conference
>> bridge.
>>
>> Fabrice
>>
>
>
Re: JWT actions [message #5092 is a reply to message #4018] Tue, 03 January 2006 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

Here is action list status

> - open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated
gforge on our platform
> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena) -
I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our platform
> - discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
> - add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse


Fabrice Dewasmes
Re: JWT actions [message #7547 is a reply to message #5092] Wed, 04 January 2006 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

Here is action list status

- open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
dedicated gforge on our platform
- put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena)
- I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our platform
- discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
- add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse

The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.


Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #7598 is a reply to message #7547] Thu, 05 January 2006 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
> Here is action list status
>
> - open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
> dedicated gforge on our platform
> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young, Optena)
> - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our platform
> - discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
> - add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
That's online now.
>
> The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
>
>
> Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #7620 is a reply to message #7598] Fri, 06 January 2006 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: rzulauf.objeng.ch

> Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
>
>> Here is action list status
>>
>> - open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
>> dedicated gforge on our platform
>> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young,
>> Optena) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our
>> platform
>> - discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
>> - add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
>
> That's online now.
That's great. Next time you update the page, please change
Roman Zulauf - Object Engineering GmbHM
to
Roman Zulauf - Object Engineering GmbH

Thanks.
Roman
>
>>
>> The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
Can't wait ;-)
>>
>>
>> Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #7764 is a reply to message #7598] Sun, 08 January 2006 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: vgv8.yahoo.com.br

Fabrice:
Sorry, I missed your train
Online where?
Can you repeat the link?
What I can find is only:
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/jwt/

BTW, how can someone participate (since I have some impressions that this
forum doesn't correspond to real activity and importance of this project)

Guennadi Vanine
"Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
news:dpjh4c$tf8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
>> Here is action list status
>>
>> - open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
>> dedicated gforge on our platform
>> - put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young,
>> Optena) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our
>> platform
>> - discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
>> - add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
> That's online now.
>>
>> The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
>>
>>
>> Fabrice
Re: JWT actions [message #7785 is a reply to message #7764] Mon, 09 January 2006 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

Guennadi Vanine wrote:
> Fabrice:
> Sorry, I missed your train
> Online where?
> Can you repeat the link?
> What I can find is only:
> http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/jwt/
>

What I meant was that participants have been added to the online JWT
proposal. The initial code contribution will be put on temporary forge
platform as soon as that platform is ready which should hopefully today.

> BTW, how can someone participate (since I have some impressions that this
> forum doesn't correspond to real activity and importance of this project)

By now, we are in the proposal phase. That means that :

* we must gather communities around the project
* we need to discuss about the proposal on these points :
- interest of the project
- proposed architecture
- proposed ways to implement
- synergies with other eclipse projects.

So if you're willing to participate, you're more than welcome. Please
let me know if you'd like to be considered as interested participant or
as as a committer.
I've got the feeling that we're nearly ready to ask for creation review
but we still have to get our mind clear on few points :
- Roman Zulauf is working on separating graphical representation, model
and grammar so that any visual representation and any grammar can be
plugged in.
- possible use of EMF and GMF
- use of BPMN as first representation

Fabrice

>
> Guennadi Vanine
> "Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
> news:dpjh4c$tf8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>
>>Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
>>
>>>Here is action list status
>>>
>>>- open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
>>>dedicated gforge on our platform
>>>- put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young,
>>>Optena) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our
>>>platform
>>>- discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
>>>- add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
>>
>>That's online now.
>>
>>>The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fabrice
>
>
>
Re: JWT actions [message #10408 is a reply to message #7785] Wed, 11 January 2006 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: vgv8.yahoo.com.br

Fabrice,
I am certainly interested and repeat all your steps almost identically.
But my project continuation is redecided on monthly basis and certainly it
cannot be more than 2-3 months more from now.
I am not sure in which I shall be in a month (or even weeks).

As a private person I am interested but I cannot represent/reveal yet any
entity/company.
I myself just reevaluate my strategies (and even vision) and so far found
your discussion quite revealing in order to propose my company to get back
to vision phase what somehow was by-passed.

I am certainly shall share, participate, and help, if I stay in this area
and even platform.
Thank you for your information.

Guennadi Vanine

"Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
news:dptceb$ao8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Guennadi Vanine wrote:
>> Fabrice:
>> Sorry, I missed your train
>> Online where?
>> Can you repeat the link?
>> What I can find is only:
>> http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/jwt/
>>
>
> What I meant was that participants have been added to the online JWT
> proposal. The initial code contribution will be put on temporary forge
> platform as soon as that platform is ready which should hopefully today.
>
>> BTW, how can someone participate (since I have some impressions that this
>> forum doesn't correspond to real activity and importance of this project)
>
> By now, we are in the proposal phase. That means that :
>
> * we must gather communities around the project
> * we need to discuss about the proposal on these points :
> - interest of the project
> - proposed architecture
> - proposed ways to implement
> - synergies with other eclipse projects.
>
> So if you're willing to participate, you're more than welcome. Please let
> me know if you'd like to be considered as interested participant or as as
> a committer.
> I've got the feeling that we're nearly ready to ask for creation review
> but we still have to get our mind clear on few points :
> - Roman Zulauf is working on separating graphical representation, model
> and grammar so that any visual representation and any grammar can be
> plugged in.
> - possible use of EMF and GMF
> - use of BPMN as first representation
>
> Fabrice
>
>>
>> Guennadi Vanine
>> "Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
>> news:dpjh4c$tf8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>
>>>Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is action list status
>>>>
>>>>- open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
>>>>dedicated gforge on our platform
>>>>- put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young,
>>>>Optena) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our
>>>>platform
>>>>- discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
>>>>- add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
>>>
>>>That's online now.
>>>
>>>>The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Fabrice
>>
>>
Re: JWT actions [message #13071 is a reply to message #10408] Fri, 13 January 2006 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: fabrice.dewasmes.openwide.fr

I'm not sure I got you on everything...

Guennadi Vanine wrote:
> Fabrice,
> I am certainly interested and repeat all your steps almost identically.

Mmh which steps ?

> But my project continuation is redecided on monthly basis and certainly it
> cannot be more than 2-3 months more from now.
> I am not sure in which I shall be in a month (or even weeks).
>
> As a private person I am interested but I cannot represent/reveal yet any
> entity/company.
> I myself just reevaluate my strategies (and even vision) and so far found
> your discussion quite revealing in order to propose my company to get back
> to vision phase what somehow was by-passed.
>
> I am certainly shall share, participate, and help, if I stay in this area
> and even platform.

Does this mean you want to be listed on interested participants for the
project ?

> Thank you for your information.
>

Fabrice

> Guennadi Vanine
>
> "Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
> news:dptceb$ao8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>
>>Guennadi Vanine wrote:
>>
>>>Fabrice:
>>>Sorry, I missed your train
>>>Online where?
>>>Can you repeat the link?
>>>What I can find is only:
>>>http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/jwt/
>>>
>>
>>What I meant was that participants have been added to the online JWT
>>proposal. The initial code contribution will be put on temporary forge
>>platform as soon as that platform is ready which should hopefully today.
>>
>>
>>>BTW, how can someone participate (since I have some impressions that this
>>>forum doesn't correspond to real activity and importance of this project)
>>
>>By now, we are in the proposal phase. That means that :
>>
>>* we must gather communities around the project
>>* we need to discuss about the proposal on these points :
>> - interest of the project
>> - proposed architecture
>> - proposed ways to implement
>> - synergies with other eclipse projects.
>>
>>So if you're willing to participate, you're more than welcome. Please let
>>me know if you'd like to be considered as interested participant or as as
>>a committer.
>>I've got the feeling that we're nearly ready to ask for creation review
>>but we still have to get our mind clear on few points :
>>- Roman Zulauf is working on separating graphical representation, model
>>and grammar so that any visual representation and any grammar can be
>>plugged in.
>>- possible use of EMF and GMF
>>- use of BPMN as first representation
>>
>>Fabrice
>>
>>
>>>Guennadi Vanine
>>>"Fabrice Dewasmes" <fabrice.dewasmes@openwide.fr> wrote in message
>>>news:dpjh4c$tf8$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fabrice Dewasmes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Here is action list status
>>>>>
>>>>>- open public CVS (Open Wide) - I've requested the creation of a
>>>>>dedicated gforge on our platform
>>>>>- put initial code contributions in CVS (Open Wide, Allen Young,
>>>>>Optena) - I've requested the creation of a dedicated gforge on our
>>>>>platform
>>>>>- discuss about possible use of BPMN - in progress
>>>>>- add people on proposal - requested add to Eclipse
>>>>
>>>>That's online now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The GForge platform should be ready on next monday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Fabrice
>>>
>>>
>
my name is not secret but I am not sure in continuation [message #13368 is a reply to message #13071] Fri, 13 January 2006 15:01 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: vgv8.yahoo.com.br

> Mmh which steps ?
JWT Proposal doc, (ideas of) discussions (of design solutions) in this forum
and the feeling of participation (I do not have anybody to discuss my
project that is vey similar)

> Does this mean you want to be listed on interested participants for the
> project ?
Thank u for this question.
I hoped my babbling will not have continuation and I did not understand at
that time what I wanted.
You may put me as:
Guennadi V. Vanine, Independent Cosultant, Lisbon
Email: gennady_vanin-eclipse@yahoo.com.br
or missing it in list will not make me incomfortable in any way
(since I am in love with .NET and my strategic interests are there and I do
not feel that Java community is flexible enough to like them. Though I am
Sun Certified Programmer for Java2 Platform).

I just cannot guarantee that I stay with Java and Eclipse in a month. But I
am certainly interested in Workflows, BMP engines, standards, patterns,
design and architecture of JWT.

Guennadi Vanine
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