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Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #44944] Thu, 15 March 2007 17:50 Go to next message
Adam Cabler is currently offline Adam CablerFriend
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Hello,
I have tried a few times over the last few months to get information
about the status of GEF, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Posting
here is kind of a last resort, so I apologize if this is inappropriate.
I have asked in the newsgroup a few times about the plans for GEF
and have gotten very little. I can't find a real project plan for it
(other than a mostly empty template), the Europa schedule doesn't have a
link to the plan, and there is almost nothing targeted at 3.3 in bugzilla.
I realize that priorities change and that a project important to me
may not reflect the importance to the whole ecosystem, but I really
would like to know if GEF is not really being maintained anymore so I
can make decisions about my products accordingly.
A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or
what is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs
and contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it
here would maybe answer the question for others as well.

thanks,
adam
Re: Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #44973 is a reply to message #44944] Thu, 15 March 2007 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Williams is currently offline David WilliamsFriend
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:50:31 -0400, AdamC <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote:


> A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or
> what is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs
> and contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it
> here would maybe answer the question for others as well.
>

I'll let GEF folks talk about GEF, but I'll speak to process.
First, you did the right thing, just keep asking until you get
an answer. First start with newsgroups, then a polite question on
dev lists (if not response on newsgroups). And, if no response
from dev list, then a not to a PMC member (or, the pmc mailing list)
would probably be in order. I believe GEF is in the Tools project.
Then, if no resposne from the PMC, the Eclipse Foundation
(this mailing list) is a good place. If no response there,
you can bet the project will be "retired" as an inactive project soon --
which is _NOT_ the case for GEF. I know it is activly maintained,
thought not sure they have lots of feature enhancements planned.
Re: Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #44991 is a reply to message #44944] Thu, 15 March 2007 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Hunter is currently offline Anthony HunterFriend
Messages: 446
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam,

I am very confused by your query as reviewing the GEF newsgroup history
reveals myself and others in the GEF community have answered your questions.
As well there is only one feature request open in Bugzilla against GEF that
you have raised, yet it contains no comment or indication as being a
critical issue for an upcoming release. (And you have not made any
contribution to it getting fixed either).

I would suggest you communicate to the GEF community via the GEF newsgroup
and through Bugzilla what you are looking for.

P.S. You already asked where the GEF project plan for 3.3 is in the GEF
newsgroup and we indicated its location (there is a link to it on the main
GEF page to boot).

Cheers...
Anthony


"AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:etc118$cmf$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hello,
> I have tried a few times over the last few months to get information
> about the status of GEF, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Posting here
> is kind of a last resort, so I apologize if this is inappropriate.
> I have asked in the newsgroup a few times about the plans for GEF and
> have gotten very little. I can't find a real project plan for it (other
> than a mostly empty template), the Europa schedule doesn't have a link to
> the plan, and there is almost nothing targeted at 3.3 in bugzilla.
> I realize that priorities change and that a project important to me may
> not reflect the importance to the whole ecosystem, but I really would like
> to know if GEF is not really being maintained anymore so I can make
> decisions about my products accordingly.
> A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or what
> is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs and
> contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it here
> would maybe answer the question for others as well.
>
> thanks,
> adam
Re: Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #45002 is a reply to message #44991] Thu, 15 March 2007 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adam Cabler is currently offline Adam CablerFriend
Messages: 113
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Anthony,
I have the link to the project plan,
http://www.eclipse.org/gef/plan/gef_plan_3_3.php, but as I said, there
is no substance, so please let me know if this link is incorrect. When
I have asked, you said that 3.3 will focus on the huge backlog of
defects, but little is either fixed or planned for 3.3. When I
specifically asked you which bugs were planned here
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.gef/msg1 8369.html, I
got _no_ response. If the project plan is accurate, how are the themes
to be met without planned changes?
As for my personal involvement, I don't see how providing additional
bug reports when there is a huge backlog would help anything. I do
spend time searching bugzilla and the newsgroup before adding more bugs
and my problems are already there.
All I'm really looking for is something like "Yes, things are planned
and here they are", or "No, we don't plan on fixing things for 3.3",
etc. I feel as though this is important information for me to properly
plan products based on these frameworks. Since the Eclipse Development
process is supposed to be transparent, I don't feel this is too much to ask.
Please let me know if this does not clear up your confusion and I
will try to provide additional details.

thanks,
adam

Anthony Hunter wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I am very confused by your query as reviewing the GEF newsgroup history
> reveals myself and others in the GEF community have answered your questions.
> As well there is only one feature request open in Bugzilla against GEF that
> you have raised, yet it contains no comment or indication as being a
> critical issue for an upcoming release. (And you have not made any
> contribution to it getting fixed either).
>
> I would suggest you communicate to the GEF community via the GEF newsgroup
> and through Bugzilla what you are looking for.
>
> P.S. You already asked where the GEF project plan for 3.3 is in the GEF
> newsgroup and we indicated its location (there is a link to it on the main
> GEF page to boot).
>
> Cheers...
> Anthony
>
>
> "AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etc118$cmf$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>> Hello,
>> I have tried a few times over the last few months to get information
>> about the status of GEF, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Posting here
>> is kind of a last resort, so I apologize if this is inappropriate.
>> I have asked in the newsgroup a few times about the plans for GEF and
>> have gotten very little. I can't find a real project plan for it (other
>> than a mostly empty template), the Europa schedule doesn't have a link to
>> the plan, and there is almost nothing targeted at 3.3 in bugzilla.
>> I realize that priorities change and that a project important to me may
>> not reflect the importance to the whole ecosystem, but I really would like
>> to know if GEF is not really being maintained anymore so I can make
>> decisions about my products accordingly.
>> A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or what
>> is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs and
>> contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it here
>> would maybe answer the question for others as well.
>>
>> thanks,
>> adam
>
>
Re: Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #45034 is a reply to message #45002] Thu, 15 March 2007 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Hunter is currently offline Anthony HunterFriend
Messages: 446
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam.

If a Bugzilla is not assigned to a milestone, your best bet is to add a
comment that you are interested in seeing the issue fixed and cc yourself to
the Bugzilla. Even better would be to pitch in a offer to contribute a patch
that fixes the issue.

Cheers...
Anthony

"AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:etc952$1g4$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Anthony,
> I have the link to the project plan,
> http://www.eclipse.org/gef/plan/gef_plan_3_3.php, but as I said, there is
> no substance, so please let me know if this link is incorrect. When I
> have asked, you said that 3.3 will focus on the huge backlog of defects,
> but little is either fixed or planned for 3.3. When I specifically asked
> you which bugs were planned here
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.gef/msg1 8369.html, I
> got _no_ response. If the project plan is accurate, how are the themes to
> be met without planned changes?
> As for my personal involvement, I don't see how providing additional bug
> reports when there is a huge backlog would help anything. I do spend time
> searching bugzilla and the newsgroup before adding more bugs and my
> problems are already there.
> All I'm really looking for is something like "Yes, things are planned
> and here they are", or "No, we don't plan on fixing things for 3.3", etc.
> I feel as though this is important information for me to properly plan
> products based on these frameworks. Since the Eclipse Development process
> is supposed to be transparent, I don't feel this is too much to ask.
> Please let me know if this does not clear up your confusion and I will
> try to provide additional details.
>
> thanks,
> adam
>
> Anthony Hunter wrote:
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I am very confused by your query as reviewing the GEF newsgroup history
>> reveals myself and others in the GEF community have answered your
>> questions. As well there is only one feature request open in Bugzilla
>> against GEF that you have raised, yet it contains no comment or
>> indication as being a critical issue for an upcoming release. (And you
>> have not made any contribution to it getting fixed either).
>>
>> I would suggest you communicate to the GEF community via the GEF
>> newsgroup and through Bugzilla what you are looking for.
>>
>> P.S. You already asked where the GEF project plan for 3.3 is in the GEF
>> newsgroup and we indicated its location (there is a link to it on the
>> main GEF page to boot).
>>
>> Cheers...
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>> "AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:etc118$cmf$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>> Hello,
>>> I have tried a few times over the last few months to get information
>>> about the status of GEF, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Posting
>>> here is kind of a last resort, so I apologize if this is inappropriate.
>>> I have asked in the newsgroup a few times about the plans for GEF and
>>> have gotten very little. I can't find a real project plan for it (other
>>> than a mostly empty template), the Europa schedule doesn't have a link
>>> to the plan, and there is almost nothing targeted at 3.3 in bugzilla.
>>> I realize that priorities change and that a project important to me
>>> may not reflect the importance to the whole ecosystem, but I really
>>> would like to know if GEF is not really being maintained anymore so I
>>> can make decisions about my products accordingly.
>>> A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or what
>>> is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs and
>>> contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it here
>>> would maybe answer the question for others as well.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> adam
>>
Re: Process For Finding Out About a Project [message #45075 is a reply to message #45034] Mon, 19 March 2007 18:16 Go to previous message
Adam Cabler is currently offline Adam CablerFriend
Messages: 113
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Thanks for the info Anthony. I'm looking through the docs on the EDP so I
can start trying to contribute. In the meantime, could you please tell me
if you have anything specific planned for 3.3? Also, what is the timeframe
for submitting patches to be considered for 3.3?

"Anthony Hunter" <anthonyh@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:etcdnn$v3$1@utils.eclipse.org...
> Hi Adam.
>
> If a Bugzilla is not assigned to a milestone, your best bet is to add a
> comment that you are interested in seeing the issue fixed and cc yourself
> to the Bugzilla. Even better would be to pitch in a offer to contribute a
> patch that fixes the issue.
>
> Cheers...
> Anthony
>
> "AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etc952$1g4$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>> Anthony,
>> I have the link to the project plan,
>> http://www.eclipse.org/gef/plan/gef_plan_3_3.php, but as I said, there is
>> no substance, so please let me know if this link is incorrect. When I
>> have asked, you said that 3.3 will focus on the huge backlog of defects,
>> but little is either fixed or planned for 3.3. When I specifically asked
>> you which bugs were planned here
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.gef/msg1 8369.html, I
>> got _no_ response. If the project plan is accurate, how are the themes
>> to be met without planned changes?
>> As for my personal involvement, I don't see how providing additional
>> bug reports when there is a huge backlog would help anything. I do spend
>> time searching bugzilla and the newsgroup before adding more bugs and my
>> problems are already there.
>> All I'm really looking for is something like "Yes, things are planned
>> and here they are", or "No, we don't plan on fixing things for 3.3", etc.
>> I feel as though this is important information for me to properly plan
>> products based on these frameworks. Since the Eclipse Development
>> process is supposed to be transparent, I don't feel this is too much to
>> ask.
>> Please let me know if this does not clear up your confusion and I will
>> try to provide additional details.
>>
>> thanks,
>> adam
>>
>> Anthony Hunter wrote:
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I am very confused by your query as reviewing the GEF newsgroup history
>>> reveals myself and others in the GEF community have answered your
>>> questions. As well there is only one feature request open in Bugzilla
>>> against GEF that you have raised, yet it contains no comment or
>>> indication as being a critical issue for an upcoming release. (And you
>>> have not made any contribution to it getting fixed either).
>>>
>>> I would suggest you communicate to the GEF community via the GEF
>>> newsgroup and through Bugzilla what you are looking for.
>>>
>>> P.S. You already asked where the GEF project plan for 3.3 is in the GEF
>>> newsgroup and we indicated its location (there is a link to it on the
>>> main GEF page to boot).
>>>
>>> Cheers...
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>> "AdamC" <acabler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:etc118$cmf$1@utils.eclipse.org...
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I have tried a few times over the last few months to get information
>>>> about the status of GEF, but so far haven't gotten anywhere. Posting
>>>> here is kind of a last resort, so I apologize if this is inappropriate.
>>>> I have asked in the newsgroup a few times about the plans for GEF
>>>> and have gotten very little. I can't find a real project plan for it
>>>> (other than a mostly empty template), the Europa schedule doesn't have
>>>> a link to the plan, and there is almost nothing targeted at 3.3 in
>>>> bugzilla.
>>>> I realize that priorities change and that a project important to me
>>>> may not reflect the importance to the whole ecosystem, but I really
>>>> would like to know if GEF is not really being maintained anymore so I
>>>> can make decisions about my products accordingly.
>>>> A bigger question is who to ask when things like this happen, or
>>>> what is the process for getting info. I have looked through the docs
>>>> and contact options, but I haven't seen this discussed. Addressing it
>>>> here would maybe answer the question for others as well.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> adam
>>>
>
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