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Issues with the approval [message #3810] Tue, 01 August 2006 16:04 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: eclipse.bettsockentraeger.de

Hello,

like most other users on these groups I'm following these porposals for
some time now. Reading up on the threads I see some diversion from the
actual path where these proposals should lead and that is provide a base
for a robust, well integrated plugin that will bring SVN support to the
Eclipse platform.

so here are my thoughts:

First of I think we should stop this subclipse vs subversive discussion
and start doing some constructive stuff like see what both provide and
what should actually go into eclipse.
For one thing I think there should definetly be a pure Javasolution for
interaction with SVN. Since JavaSVN is not likley to be released under
EPL soon (at least that is the impression I get when reading different
spots on the net) I think there should be an effort to provide such a
EPL based interface as part of the actual project. SHould this have
priority? I don't think so! Concentrating on the JavaHL binding at first
and bringing a functional plugin should be the top priority and will
yield the most compatible result. (This will also benefit subversion
since the eclipse team can actually improve their API as stated in the
subclipse proposal) This will make it nessecary to provide a way to
deploy the JavaHL bindings for all officially supported Eclipse platform
without having to compile any native code yourself.

Integration into Eclipse has to be based on the Team Provider so the top
priority in providing SVN support should be put into extending and
improving the TeamProvider API to be able to seemlessly integrate CVS
and SVN into Eclipse. This has the sideeffect of easing integration of
other SCMs.

There should also be some discussion on how this project would be lead
if both of the projects decide to join force which would bring an ideal
solution to the problem in my eyes. Who will take the lead and in what
way can this be achieved without loosing comitters and knowhow. The way
this discussion is going currently I get the impression that it is a
question of "take this or that but you can't have both".
Is there a way to get both projects as code contribution and incorporate
them into a single product or are these not manageable in a timely fashion.

The one thing that I don't see addressed in the subversive proposal is
the way that SVN hosting is handeled? I see that the subversive proposal
says that the plugin is to be hosted in svn but there is not mentioning
how this is established since the EclipseFoundation currently has no
means to host a SVN repository.
What about giving SVN hosting to other projects under the Eclipse
Foundation? I'm not sure if the proposal for a subversion plugin is the
right place to address this but in order for any of the proposals to
succeeed this has to be addressed.
Re: Issues with the approval [message #3817 is a reply to message #3810] Tue, 01 August 2006 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
The Eclipse Foundation IT staff are busy setting up SVN hosting for
Eclipse projects (if they want). This will be rolled out relatively soon
(although I'm not on the IT staff so I can't give you an exact date).

> The one thing that I don't see addressed in the subversive proposal is
> the way that SVN hosting is handeled? I see that the subversive proposal
> says that the plugin is to be hosted in svn but there is not mentioning
> how this is established since the EclipseFoundation currently has no
> means to host a SVN repository.
> What about giving SVN hosting to other projects under the Eclipse
> Foundation? I'm not sure if the proposal for a subversion plugin is the
> right place to address this but in order for any of the proposals to
> succeeed this has to be addressed.
Re: Issues with the approval [message #4367 is a reply to message #3817] Tue, 08 August 2006 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: michal.dobisek.polarion.com

Actually, we did not address the SVN services in our proposal, because we
thaught it's another story, which should not be mixed with the proposal.

However, the reality is, that we are happy to bring in our experience with
Subversion consultancy and set up to help to estabilish SVN repositories for
Eclipse Foundaiton. If the SVN hosting creation is already in process in the
Foundation, than please consider this as our offer to help (does not need to
wait till the proposal is processed).

Michal Dobisek

"Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn.freeman-benson@eclipse.org> wrote
> The Eclipse Foundation IT staff are busy setting up SVN hosting for
> Eclipse projects (if they want). This will be rolled out relatively soon
> (although I'm not on the IT staff so I can't give you an exact date).
>
>> The one thing that I don't see addressed in the subversive proposal is
>> the way that SVN hosting is handeled? I see that the subversive proposal
>> says that the plugin is to be hosted in svn but there is not mentioning
>> how this is established since the EclipseFoundation currently has no
>> means to host a SVN repository.
>> What about giving SVN hosting to other projects under the Eclipse
>> Foundation? I'm not sure if the proposal for a subversion plugin is the
>> right place to address this but in order for any of the proposals to
>> succeeed this has to be addressed.
Re: Issues with the approval [message #6525 is a reply to message #3810] Mon, 13 November 2006 18:37 Go to previous message
Igor Vinnykov is currently offline Igor Vinnykov
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
Member
Dear Stefan,

> For one thing I think there should definetly be a pure Javasolution for
> interaction with SVN. Since JavaSVN is not likley to be released under EPL
> soon (at least that is the impression I get when reading different spots
> on the net) I think there should be an effort to provide such a EPL based
> interface as part of the actual project. SHould this have priority? I
> don't think so! Concentrating on the JavaHL binding at first and bringing
> a functional plugin should be the top priority and will yield the most
> compatible result. (This will also benefit subversion since the eclipse
> team can actually improve their API as stated in the subclipse proposal)
> This will make it nessecary to provide a way to deploy the JavaHL bindings
> for all officially supported Eclipse platform without having to compile
> any native code yourself.

We have exactly the same vision: first - finalize what we have now and
provide SVN support to the Eclipse platform and then probably think about an
idea of new pure Java library with EPL license. Now Subversive allows to
plug JavaHL, standard and extended JavaSVN, so technology project at Eclipse
can be bundled with JavaHL and JavaSVN libraries can be distributed as
optional features from external resources.

> Integration into Eclipse has to be based on the Team Provider so the top
> priority in providing SVN support should be put into extending and
> improving the TeamProvider API to be able to seemlessly integrate CVS and
> SVN into Eclipse. This has the sideeffect of easing integration of other
> SCMs.

Right, it's a one of the most important aspects of our proposal.

> There should also be some discussion on how this project would be lead if
> both of the projects decide to join force which would bring an ideal
> solution to the problem in my eyes. Who will take the lead and in what way
> can this be achieved without loosing comitters and knowhow. The way this
> discussion is going currently I get the impression that it is a question
> of "take this or that but you can't have both".
> Is there a way to get both projects as code contribution and incorporate
> them into a single product or are these not manageable in a timely
> fashion.

In our proposal and in this newsgroup we mentioned few times a reasonable
way (from our point of view) how to move things forward (see Subclipse
project chapter). We think that it should work. We still wait for responce
from inetersted parties.

> The one thing that I don't see addressed in the subversive proposal is the
> way that SVN hosting is handeled? I see that the subversive proposal says
> that the plugin is to be hosted in svn but there is not mentioning how
> this is established since the EclipseFoundation currently has no means to
> host a SVN repository.
> What about giving SVN hosting to other projects under the Eclipse
> Foundation? I'm not sure if the proposal for a subversion plugin is the
> right place to address this but in order for any of the proposals to
> succeeed this has to be addressed.

I suppose that Eclipse Foundation already prepared repositories, because I
saw that such activities are expected.

Best regards,
Igor Vinnykov
Subversive Team
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