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GNU License text version [message #42282] Tue, 14 November 2006 18:15 Go to next message
Stan Rivera is currently offline Stan Rivera
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What GNU license test is in the Eclipse Tool, v1 or v2?

Thanks,
Stan
Re: GNU License text version [message #42325 is a reply to message #42282] Tue, 14 November 2006 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stan Rivera is currently offline Stan Rivera
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My apologies, I meant "text" not "test".
Re: GNU License text version [message #42355 is a reply to message #42282] Tue, 14 November 2006 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pascal Rapicault is currently offline Pascal Rapicault
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Eclipse does not make use of the GPL license. It uses the EPL.

"Stan Rivera" <stan.rivera@verizonbusiness.com> wrote in message
news:8ae80242e2bb3a9913deafc0f09fe962$1@www.eclipse.org...
> What GNU license test is in the Eclipse Tool, v1 or v2?
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
Re: GNU License text version [message #42406 is a reply to message #42282] Tue, 14 November 2006 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

Don't know if the GPL is used in some parts (e.g. antlr) but the majority of the Eclipse codebase (certainly, all the source) is under the Eclipse Public License or EPL. You can find more about it at at <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/epl-v10.php">the Eclipse website</a>.

Alex.
Re: GNU License text version [message #42429 is a reply to message #42406] Tue, 14 November 2006 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bjorn Freeman-Benson is currently offline Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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There is no GPL code distributed from the Eclipse Foundation.
The EPL and GPL are not compatible licenses.

Alex Blewitt wrote:
> Don't know if the GPL is used in some parts (e.g. antlr) but the majority of the Eclipse codebase (certainly, all the source) is under the Eclipse Public License or EPL. You can find more about it at at <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/epl-v10.php">the Eclipse website</a>.
Re: GNU License text version [message #42578 is a reply to message #42429] Wed, 15 November 2006 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

Yes, that's why I was <a href="http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t84348.html">wondering if Sun's GPL</a> is such a good thing earlier.

I knew that Antlr was GPL, and wasn't sure if it was the only example. Plus, I'm not authoritative enough to say so for sure :-)

Mind you, I wonder if Sun picked the GPL (and for NetBeans some way down the line) specifically because GPL and EPL are incompatible, whereas if they'd have used the AL instead, it would have been (since Eclipse redistributes e.g. <a href=" http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.apache.ant/lib/">Ant</a> and others from ASF).

Alex.
Re: GNU License text version [message #42640 is a reply to message #42578] Wed, 15 November 2006 16:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Randy D. Smith is currently offline Randy D. Smith
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Alex Blewitt wrote:
> Yes, that's why I was <a href="http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t84348.html">wondering if Sun's GPL</a> is such a good thing earlier.
>
> I knew that Antlr was GPL, and wasn't sure if it was the only example. Plus, I'm not authoritative enough to say so for sure :-)
>
> Mind you, I wonder if Sun picked the GPL (and for NetBeans some way down the line) specifically because GPL and EPL are incompatible, whereas if they'd have used the AL instead, it would have been (since Eclipse redistributes e.g. <a href=" http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.apache.ant/lib/">Ant</a> and others from ASF).
>
> Alex.

I think Sun's thinking went a lot deeper than that. Yes, I expect is was
a part of the consideration ... one of my colleagues speculated that the
decision was one of whom to befriend and whom to anger ... and
IBM&Eclipse are definitely not on Sun's friends list.

ASL, as an academic license, would have given others (specifically
competitors) too many ways to take Sun's work and use it as their own,
whereas the GPL's reciprocal clauses force consumers changes out into
the open.

Their walking a tightrope, and (IMHO) doing a pretty good job given the
criteria they're working with.

Note that one pundit (Berlind?) speculated that this actually favors
Eclipse over Netbeans, and speculated on a move to merge. Again, I think
it's way more complicated than that.

--
RDS

Randy D. Smith randy (dot) d (dot) smith (at) intel (dot) com
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Re: GNU License text version [message #42671 is a reply to message #42640] Wed, 15 November 2006 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

> > Yes, that's why I was <a href="http://www.eclipsezone.com/eclipse/forums/t84348.html">wondering if Sun's GPL</a> is such a good thing earlier.

> I think Sun's thinking went a lot deeper than that. Yes, I expect is was
> a part of the consideration ... one of my colleagues speculated that the
> decision was one of whom to befriend and whom to anger ... and
> IBM&Eclipse are definitely not on Sun's friends list.

There's certainly never been much love lost between the two. To some extent, competition is good though -- after all, both Eclipse and NetBeans have improved dramatically because of the other's presence.

> ASL, as an academic license, would have given others (specifically
> competitors) too many ways to take Sun's work and use it as their own,
> whereas the GPL's reciprocal clauses force consumers changes out into
> the open.

On a point of pedantry, I believe that they call it the AL rather than the ASL -- it's at the Apache Licenses page (http://www.apache.org/licenses/)

Note that regardless of license, you still couldn't call it Java. It's also not the only one which requires changes be contributed back. What it does give, above all else, is a reason to include it in Linux systems on the back end, which hasn't really been a major success in the past. Regardless of anything else, I think that it will have a positive impact in the Linux world.

Alex.
Re: GNU License text version [message #42735 is a reply to message #42578] Tue, 21 November 2006 18:11 Go to previous message
Mike Milinkovich is currently offline Mike Milinkovich
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> Mind you, I wonder if Sun picked the GPL (and for NetBeans some way down
> the line) specifically because
> GPL and EPL are incompatible, whereas if they'd have used the AL instead,
> it would have been (since Eclipse
> redistributes e.g. <a
> href=" http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.apache.ant/lib/">Ant</a>
> and others from
> ASF).

Sun actually picked [1] GPL with the Classpath exception [2], [3].

I have not checked with our lawyers, but my initial guess is that you will
be able to run Eclipse on top of the FOSS'd Java without licensing issues.

[1] http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp#b3
[2] http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/license.html
[3] http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t84256.html
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