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Eclipse vs RSA [message #39488] Sat, 23 September 2006 18:47 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: AnthtonyColuzzi.hotmail.com

Eclipse since was released free has grown in popularity and it is now a well
assessed tool.

IBM has RSA, to date at version 6.0.1, which has Eclipse as fundamental
tool.


- Eclipse runs with 512Mbyte memory. RSA doesn't install if you do not meet
a minimum of 1Gbyte (recommended 2GB) with a Processor speed above 1GHertz.

- Eclipse can use a variety of VirtualMachines (-vm <path_to_java>). RSA
installs its own VirtualMachine

- Eclipse doesn't freeze your machine. RSA uses all the memory available and
it is indeed an "heavy" tool to run.

- Eclipse is free. RSA costs lots of money

My question is: Why has this happened? Has IBM taken advantage of the free
comunity that fine-tuned Eclipse? The two deliver most the same (unless to
want WSA)

--
Anthony Coluzzi
SCM and IT Consultant
Re: Eclipse vs RSA [message #39519 is a reply to message #39488] Sun, 24 September 2006 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Anthony,

My comments are below and I should preface them with the comment that
despite e-mail my address, the opinions I express are my own and do not
necessarily reflect those of IBM.


AnthonyColuzzi wrote:
> Eclipse since was released free has grown in popularity and it is now a well
> assessed tool.
>
Yes, Eclipse is totally awesome and makes all of us far more productive
as a result.
> IBM has RSA, to date at version 6.0.1, which has Eclipse as fundamental
> tool.
>
Yes, most if not all IBM's tools are built on top Eclipse's integration
platform.
>
> - Eclipse runs with 512Mbyte memory. RSA doesn't install if you do not meet
> a minimum of 1Gbyte (recommended 2GB) with a Processor speed above 1GHertz.
>
RSA installs far more plugins and provides a great deal of additional
capability (to justify its cost).
> - Eclipse can use a variety of VirtualMachines (-vm <path_to_java>). RSA
> installs its own VirtualMachine
>
I'm not sure this is true. Certainly you can use different target JVMs
when developing your applications and I suspect that you could even try
running RSA itself with a different JVM, although such an environment
may not have been well tested.
> - Eclipse doesn't freeze your machine. RSA uses all the memory available and
> it is indeed an "heavy" tool to run.
>
I'm sure it's an exaggeration to say it uses all available memory (as if
no matter how much memory you have available it still runs out). In any
case, you should report problems to the vendor. Perhaps there's a leak
involved...
> - Eclipse is free. RSA costs lots of money
>
"Lots of money" is a relative term. You also get service and support
along with the cost. In fact, you can buy (subscribe for) service and
support even for "bare" Eclipse from IBM. Any organization could
provide such for-profit support.
> My question is: Why has this happened?
IBM, like every other company in the world, is not a charity and it
funds open source efforts such as Eclipse with the profit that it makes
from selling products and providing services.
> Has IBM taken advantage of the free
> comunity that fine-tuned Eclipse?
If anything, you make it sound as if IBM has not taken advantage of the
free goodness. Any company can charge whatever they want for the
value-add they provide on top of "bare" Eclipse. I don't think there's
even a rule against charging money for Eclipse itself. If the market is
willing to pay, all the power to the vendors to exploit that for profit.
> The two deliver most the same (unless to
> want WSA)
>
The ability to providing profitable products based on Eclipse is one of
the big reasons for Eclipse's growth. The fact that Eclipse is free is
made possible by the ability to profit from taking advantage of it.
I.e., exploiting Eclipse is a good thing, not a bad thing.
> --
> Anthony Coluzzi
> SCM and IT Consultant
>
>
>
Re: Eclipse vs RSA [message #39673 is a reply to message #39488] Mon, 02 October 2006 01:52 Go to previous message
Mike Milinkovich is currently offline Mike MilinkovichFriend
Messages: 260
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"AnthonyColuzzi" <AnthtonyColuzzi@hotmail.com>
> My question is: Why has this happened? Has IBM taken advantage of the free
> comunity that fine-tuned Eclipse? The two deliver most the same (unless to
> want WSA)

Anthony,

I would like to echo much of what Ed Merks has already mentioned.

Many of the resources which go into the Eclipse RCP, Platform, JDT and many
other projects come from IBM. So it is definitely inaccurate to say that IBM
has in any way taken advantage of Eclipse. Rather, they have helped make an
excellent platform available for many products to be built on.

Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director,
Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
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