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attribute state and properties of data objects [message #374517] Tue, 05 February 2008 16:20 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: SteveStrauch.gmx.de

Hello,

I read in the Business Process Modeling Notation Specification that a data
object has an attribute state and the modeler can define some properties
for each data object. Now I tried to add some modeler-defined properties
to a data object when using stp bpmn modeler.
Unfortunately I was not able to find a way neither to specify the state of
a data object nor to define several properties for a data object.
Is this feature described in the bpmn specification implemented in stp
bpmn modeler? I already looked for a tutorial to solve this problem, but I
couldn't
find a stp bpmn modeler tutorial covering this issue.
Can somebody please give me an advice how I can define properties
and the state of data objects when using stp bpmn modeler?

I started to work on an eclipse plugin to define and model key performance
indicators (kpi) for measuring the performance of business processes.
Therefore I need access to the data of the stp bpmn modeler, to define
probes in the bpmn model, describing where the measurement of kpis
should take place during execution time of the process.

For this reason I have to e.g. define a data object named customer order
whith properties,
customer name, adress, ordered goods, order number ...
So I will be able to refer to the attributes or the state of an data
object when defining the kpis.
Moreover I have to refer to Tasks and Subprocesses, but I think this won't
be a problem, because every task and subprocess has an unique identifier.


Thanks in advance.

--
Regards, Steve Strauch
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #374561 is a reply to message #374517] Wed, 06 February 2008 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

Steve Strauch wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read in the Business Process Modeling Notation Specification that a
> data object has an attribute state and the modeler can define some
> properties for each data object. Now I tried to add some modeler-defined
> properties to a data object when using stp bpmn modeler.
> Unfortunately I was not able to find a way neither to specify the state
> of a data object nor to define several properties for a data object.
> Is this feature described in the bpmn specification implemented in stp
> bpmn modeler? I already looked for a tutorial to solve this problem, but
> I couldn't
> find a stp bpmn modeler tutorial covering this issue.
The way we cover BPMN attributes that have no impact on visual
diagrammaing is by adding annotations to model elements.

> Can somebody please give me an advice how I can define properties and
> the state of data objects when using stp bpmn modeler?
You need to add a set of actions and/or drag and drop depending of your
need, to set that property on the dataobject.
>
> I started to work on an eclipse plugin to define and model key
> performance indicators (kpi) for measuring the performance of business
> processes. Therefore I need access to the data of the stp bpmn modeler,
> to define probes in the bpmn model, describing where the measurement of
> kpis
> should take place during execution time of the process.
>
> For this reason I have to e.g. define a data object named customer order
> whith properties, customer name, adress, ordered goods, order number ...
> So I will be able to refer to the attributes or the state of an data
> object when defining the kpis.
> Moreover I have to refer to Tasks and Subprocesses, but I think this
> won't be a problem, because every task and subprocess has an unique
> identifier.
Indeed.

Hope this helps.

Antoine


--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #374575 is a reply to message #374561] Thu, 21 February 2008 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: SteveStrauch.gmx.de

Hello Antoine,

sorry for the late answer of your post. I'd like to thank you for your
fast and qualified help.
Moreover I decided to use a BPEL-Modeler instead of the STP BPMN Modeler
for implementing my concepts as far as modeling kpis for performance
measurement is concerned.

Thank you.

--
Regards, Steve Strauch


Antoine Toulme wrote:

> Hi,

> Steve Strauch wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read in the Business Process Modeling Notation Specification that a
>> data object has an attribute state and the modeler can define some
>> properties for each data object. Now I tried to add some modeler-defined
>> properties to a data object when using stp bpmn modeler.
>> Unfortunately I was not able to find a way neither to specify the state
>> of a data object nor to define several properties for a data object.
>> Is this feature described in the bpmn specification implemented in stp
>> bpmn modeler? I already looked for a tutorial to solve this problem, but
>> I couldn't
>> find a stp bpmn modeler tutorial covering this issue.
> The way we cover BPMN attributes that have no impact on visual
> diagrammaing is by adding annotations to model elements.

>> Can somebody please give me an advice how I can define properties and
>> the state of data objects when using stp bpmn modeler?
> You need to add a set of actions and/or drag and drop depending of your
> need, to set that property on the dataobject.
>>
>> I started to work on an eclipse plugin to define and model key
>> performance indicators (kpi) for measuring the performance of business
>> processes. Therefore I need access to the data of the stp bpmn modeler,
>> to define probes in the bpmn model, describing where the measurement of
>> kpis
>> should take place during execution time of the process.
>>
>> For this reason I have to e.g. define a data object named customer order
>> whith properties, customer name, adress, ordered goods, order number ...
>> So I will be able to refer to the attributes or the state of an data
>> object when defining the kpis.
>> Moreover I have to refer to Tasks and Subprocesses, but I think this
>> won't be a problem, because every task and subprocess has an unique
>> identifier.
> Indeed.

> Hope this helps.

> Antoine
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #374577 is a reply to message #374575] Thu, 21 February 2008 05:49 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Steve Strauch wrote:
> Hello Antoine,
>
> sorry for the late answer of your post. I'd like to thank you for your
> fast and qualified help.
Thanks!
> Moreover I decided to use a BPEL-Modeler instead of the STP BPMN Modeler
> for implementing my concepts as far as modeling kpis for performance
> measurement is concerned.
This is all a matter of scope I guess. Let us know how it goes.

Cheers,

Antoine

--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #610571 is a reply to message #374517] Wed, 06 February 2008 17:56 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

Steve Strauch wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read in the Business Process Modeling Notation Specification that a
> data object has an attribute state and the modeler can define some
> properties for each data object. Now I tried to add some modeler-defined
> properties to a data object when using stp bpmn modeler.
> Unfortunately I was not able to find a way neither to specify the state
> of a data object nor to define several properties for a data object.
> Is this feature described in the bpmn specification implemented in stp
> bpmn modeler? I already looked for a tutorial to solve this problem, but
> I couldn't
> find a stp bpmn modeler tutorial covering this issue.
The way we cover BPMN attributes that have no impact on visual
diagrammaing is by adding annotations to model elements.

> Can somebody please give me an advice how I can define properties and
> the state of data objects when using stp bpmn modeler?
You need to add a set of actions and/or drag and drop depending of your
need, to set that property on the dataobject.
>
> I started to work on an eclipse plugin to define and model key
> performance indicators (kpi) for measuring the performance of business
> processes. Therefore I need access to the data of the stp bpmn modeler,
> to define probes in the bpmn model, describing where the measurement of
> kpis
> should take place during execution time of the process.
>
> For this reason I have to e.g. define a data object named customer order
> whith properties, customer name, adress, ordered goods, order number ...
> So I will be able to refer to the attributes or the state of an data
> object when defining the kpis.
> Moreover I have to refer to Tasks and Subprocesses, but I think this
> won't be a problem, because every task and subprocess has an unique
> identifier.
Indeed.

Hope this helps.

Antoine


--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #611065 is a reply to message #374561] Thu, 21 February 2008 05:12 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: SteveStrauch.gmx.de

Hello Antoine,

sorry for the late answer of your post. I'd like to thank you for your
fast and qualified help.
Moreover I decided to use a BPEL-Modeler instead of the STP BPMN Modeler
for implementing my concepts as far as modeling kpis for performance
measurement is concerned.

Thank you.

--
Regards, Steve Strauch


Antoine Toulme wrote:

> Hi,

> Steve Strauch wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read in the Business Process Modeling Notation Specification that a
>> data object has an attribute state and the modeler can define some
>> properties for each data object. Now I tried to add some modeler-defined
>> properties to a data object when using stp bpmn modeler.
>> Unfortunately I was not able to find a way neither to specify the state
>> of a data object nor to define several properties for a data object.
>> Is this feature described in the bpmn specification implemented in stp
>> bpmn modeler? I already looked for a tutorial to solve this problem, but
>> I couldn't
>> find a stp bpmn modeler tutorial covering this issue.
> The way we cover BPMN attributes that have no impact on visual
> diagrammaing is by adding annotations to model elements.

>> Can somebody please give me an advice how I can define properties and
>> the state of data objects when using stp bpmn modeler?
> You need to add a set of actions and/or drag and drop depending of your
> need, to set that property on the dataobject.
>>
>> I started to work on an eclipse plugin to define and model key
>> performance indicators (kpi) for measuring the performance of business
>> processes. Therefore I need access to the data of the stp bpmn modeler,
>> to define probes in the bpmn model, describing where the measurement of
>> kpis
>> should take place during execution time of the process.
>>
>> For this reason I have to e.g. define a data object named customer order
>> whith properties, customer name, adress, ordered goods, order number ...
>> So I will be able to refer to the attributes or the state of an data
>> object when defining the kpis.
>> Moreover I have to refer to Tasks and Subprocesses, but I think this
>> won't be a problem, because every task and subprocess has an unique
>> identifier.
> Indeed.

> Hope this helps.

> Antoine
Re: attribute state and properties of data objects [message #611067 is a reply to message #374575] Thu, 21 February 2008 05:49 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Steve Strauch wrote:
> Hello Antoine,
>
> sorry for the late answer of your post. I'd like to thank you for your
> fast and qualified help.
Thanks!
> Moreover I decided to use a BPEL-Modeler instead of the STP BPMN Modeler
> for implementing my concepts as far as modeling kpis for performance
> measurement is concerned.
This is all a matter of scope I guess. Let us know how it goes.

Cheers,

Antoine

--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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