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Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374350] Tue, 27 November 2007 22:05 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

Hello!

I am writing some paper for baccalaureate about the BPMN Modeler. I am
looking for some References about the SOA tools and especially about the
Modeler.

I am searching for 2 weeks now, but can't find utilisable books about The
SOA Project.

my only references for SOA are at the moment (i have others about BPM in
general):
http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_BPMN_Presentation
http://www.eclipse.org/stp/bpmn/
and that's not quite a lot for a paper that should contain about 40-50
pages.

I want to describe the modeler's:
- functionality (what can i do with it?)
- design / construction (how is it developed?)
- community (forums, wikis about the modeler - or this section..)
- documentation (notes for activities / documentation about the modeler)
- import/export (describes itself ;))

for the technical part i should write some xslt-transformation to exchange
Models between Eclipse STP BPMN Modeler and Adonis -->
http://www.boc-group.com/jumpto.jsp?goto=ADONIS&lg=en

it would be very nice, if anybody could help me find some more
information, about just 1 point :)

thx a lot

Pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374351 is a reply to message #374350] Wed, 28 November 2007 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

please see comments inline:

Pascal wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am writing some paper for baccalaureate about the BPMN Modeler. I am
> looking for some References about the SOA tools and especially about the
> Modeler.
>
> I am searching for 2 weeks now, but can't find utilisable books about
> The SOA Project.
> my only references for SOA are at the moment (i have others about BPM in
> general):
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_BPMN_Presentation
> http://www.eclipse.org/stp/bpmn/
> and that's not quite a lot for a paper that should contain about 40-50
> pages.
>
> I want to describe the modeler's:
> - functionality (what can i do with it?)
You can design BPMN diagrams, they represent business processes graphically.
> - design / construction (how is it developed?)
It is developed using the GMF, EMF and GEF technologies.
> - community (forums, wikis about the modeler - or this section..)
You cited all the resources.
> - documentation (notes for activities / documentation about the modeler)
We have no documentation so far - we need help.
> - import/export (describes itself ;))
Export to image.
>
> for the technical part i should write some xslt-transformation to
> exchange Models between Eclipse STP BPMN Modeler and Adonis -->
> http://www.boc-group.com/jumpto.jsp?goto=ADONIS&lg=en
>
> it would be very nice, if anybody could help me find some more
> information, about just 1 point :)
Pascal, we need help to get the modeler complete, help to get it
documented. Feel free to help us out!
>
> thx a lot
> Pascal
>

Thanks,

Antoine

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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374352 is a reply to message #374351] Wed, 28 November 2007 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

Hy Antoine,

Thx for your fast post. I already thought, that there are no more
resources, otherwise i would already have found one. I don't know if my
work helps you, because i am writing it in german. But Maybe i can do
something on the wiki, but at the moment i have no time for this, and i
dont really know much about the modeler so far. But i will try to help you
get it documented!

but can you give me an advice for the xsl-part? is there an XSD for the
modeler or a DTD?

thank you
Pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374361 is a reply to message #374352] Thu, 06 December 2007 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Sorry Pascal,

I was away for some time.

The modeler is based on a xsd, that is translated into an ecore file,
that is used to generate the bpmn classes.

You can find it in the model folder of the bpmn plugin.

I hope this helps you.

Thanks,

Antoine

Pascal wrote:
> Hy Antoine,
>
> Thx for your fast post. I already thought, that there are no more
> resources, otherwise i would already have found one. I don't know if my
> work helps you, because i am writing it in german. But Maybe i can do
> something on the wiki, but at the moment i have no time for this, and i
> dont really know much about the modeler so far. But i will try to help
> you get it documented!
>
> but can you give me an advice for the xsl-part? is there an XSD for the
> modeler or a DTD?
>
> thank you
> Pascal
>


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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374500 is a reply to message #374361] Sun, 20 January 2008 22:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
> Hey Antoine,
> thank you very much for your help.
>
> I just tried to find out the best way to transform Adonis-XML into files
> that can be interpreted by the eclipse modeler. Now i tried to find out,
> if it is possible to change the IDs in an .bpmn and .bpmn_diagram file
> to other strings (like the IDs from AdonisXML) but if i do so i always
> get some nullpointer Exceptions when i open the .bpmn_diagram file. so i
> wanted to ask you what you think is the best way to make this work.
I don't know what a Adonis-XML file is to begin with. I don't think this
is a question for me, you should ask the Adonis guys. I think you are
having an issue with the namespace used by the ID attribute, which
requires the ecore definition to be loaded somehow into your tool.
>
> should i transform Adonis-XML into a .bpel and import the .bpel into
> eclipse? But transforming data two times could create more new problems.
> Also i think that i wont get the bpel2bpmn generator working. but thats
> an other problem ;)
I can help on that, to some extent.

i am now updating my hole Eclipse Europa and hope
> that it helps a little. in The Eclipse Europa is there the BPEL2BPMN
> Generator included?
No, this is a sample to show off our nice generation API, coupled with
an even nicer drag and drop system that kicks ass, if I may say.
>
> Here you can find a "simple" BPM from Adonis saved as XML:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/xslt_test_Adonis.xml
>
> this is how the bpm should look like in Eclipse:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/Adonis_BPM.jpg
>
> and here you find the DTD for Adonis.xml:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/adoxml.dtd

I'll take a look for sure.

Cheers,

Antoine
>
> cheers,
> Pascal
>


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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374501 is a reply to message #374500] Sun, 20 January 2008 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

hey antoine,

quite impressive, how fast you reply on questions :)
i think i am gonna try to make some valid .bpel from the adonis xml. this
should avoid problems in the eclipse modeler.

now i just have to find out how to install the bpel2bpmn generator. i
already tried to drag and drop some .bpel file, but that does not really
work for me.

how can i find out if the bpmn generator is installed, if not, where do i
find the generator and maybe some help for it. like the API or a how-to

thx a lot!
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374502 is a reply to message #374501] Sun, 20 January 2008 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
> hey antoine,
>
> quite impressive, how fast you reply on questions :)
As I said in a different thread before, just try out our professional
support!
> i think i am gonna try to make some valid .bpel from the adonis xml.
> this should avoid problems in the eclipse modeler.
Well, our BPEL generator is very limited. It's an example of what you
can do with our generation API.
>
> now i just have to find out how to install the bpel2bpmn generator. i
> already tried to drag and drop some .bpel file, but that does not really
> work for me.
What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
import the bpel2bpmn plugin:

svn co
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
bpel2bpmn

Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.


>
> how can i find out if the bpmn generator is installed,
You can find if a plugin is launched in a number of ways that add to the
fun.
Easiest: Help>About>Plugin details and see if the plugin name is present.
Hardest (but more fun): run your eclipse instance with the -console
argument. In the console you can ask for its status: status
org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples.

You can even start it yourself: start org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples

As I said, fun fun fun!
if not, where do
> i find the generator and maybe some help for it. like the API or a how-to
You should look at the bpel2bpmn code, and here is the API :
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.diagram/customsrc/org/eclipse/stp/bpm n/diagram/generation/impl/BPMNVisual2ProcessGenerator.java

>
> thx a lot!
>
Hope this helps.

Antoine

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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374506 is a reply to message #374502] Mon, 21 January 2008 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

> What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
> import the bpel2bpmn plugin:

> svn co
>
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
> bpel2bpmn

i installed SVN Plugin now, imported the files from the svn repository
( http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/)

i just downloaded PDE and updated Eclipse - so JDT and PDE should be
installed. In the plugins folder there are plenty of JDT and PDE folders.
so i think it should work.

but so far i have the problem, that i dont know how to build the project,
because there is no main-method. I didnt do java-programming for a while :(

so far:
PDE + JDT installed (i hope it is working)
SVN installed
org.eclipse.stp.bpmn folder added as a project
found some bpel on the web i want to transform into a BPMN - but how? i
just dont find out how to build the project. sorry for that dumb
questions...

> Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
> run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
> that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
> into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.

Did i understand that correct:
Import stp.bpmn from svn --> build it (how?) --> open project with
existing bpmn diagram + bpel file --> drag the bpel file into the
bpmn-diagram file

thx a lot
pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #374507 is a reply to message #374506] Mon, 21 January 2008 11:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
>> What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
>> import the bpel2bpmn plugin:
>
>> svn co
> http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
>
>> bpel2bpmn
>
> i installed SVN Plugin now, imported the files from the svn repository
> ( http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/)
>
> i just downloaded PDE and updated Eclipse - so JDT and PDE should be
> installed. In the plugins folder there are plenty of JDT and PDE
> folders. so i think it should work.
>
> but so far i have the problem, that i dont know how to build the
> project, because there is no main-method. I didnt do java-programming
> for a while :(
You should follow this webinar scheduled on the 22:
http://live.eclipse.org/node/406

To run Eclipse, just go to Run>Open Run dialog, create a new eclipse
instance configuration and run it.
>
> so far:
> PDE + JDT installed (i hope it is working)
> SVN installed
> org.eclipse.stp.bpmn folder added as a project
No, you need to add the four projects present in that folder.
> found some bpel on the web i want to transform into a BPMN - but how? i
> just dont find out how to build the project. sorry for that dumb
> questions...
>
>> Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
>> run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
>> that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
>> into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.
>
> Did i understand that correct:
> Import stp.bpmn from svn --> build it (how?)
Ctrl+B ?
--> open project with
> existing bpmn diagram + bpel file --> drag the bpel file into the
> bpmn-diagram file
>
> thx a lot
> pascal
>
>


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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #602540 is a reply to message #374350] Wed, 28 November 2007 07:34 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

please see comments inline:

Pascal wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am writing some paper for baccalaureate about the BPMN Modeler. I am
> looking for some References about the SOA tools and especially about the
> Modeler.
>
> I am searching for 2 weeks now, but can't find utilisable books about
> The SOA Project.
> my only references for SOA are at the moment (i have others about BPM in
> general):
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_BPMN_Presentation
> http://www.eclipse.org/stp/bpmn/
> and that's not quite a lot for a paper that should contain about 40-50
> pages.
>
> I want to describe the modeler's:
> - functionality (what can i do with it?)
You can design BPMN diagrams, they represent business processes graphically.
> - design / construction (how is it developed?)
It is developed using the GMF, EMF and GEF technologies.
> - community (forums, wikis about the modeler - or this section..)
You cited all the resources.
> - documentation (notes for activities / documentation about the modeler)
We have no documentation so far - we need help.
> - import/export (describes itself ;))
Export to image.
>
> for the technical part i should write some xslt-transformation to
> exchange Models between Eclipse STP BPMN Modeler and Adonis -->
> http://www.boc-group.com/jumpto.jsp?goto=ADONIS&lg=en
>
> it would be very nice, if anybody could help me find some more
> information, about just 1 point :)
Pascal, we need help to get the modeler complete, help to get it
documented. Feel free to help us out!
>
> thx a lot
> Pascal
>

Thanks,

Antoine

--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #602543 is a reply to message #374351] Wed, 28 November 2007 09:04 Go to previous message
Pascal is currently offline Pascal
Messages: 9
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hy Antoine,

Thx for your fast post. I already thought, that there are no more
resources, otherwise i would already have found one. I don't know if my
work helps you, because i am writing it in german. But Maybe i can do
something on the wiki, but at the moment i have no time for this, and i
dont really know much about the modeler so far. But i will try to help you
get it documented!

but can you give me an advice for the xsl-part? is there an XSD for the
modeler or a DTD?

thank you
Pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #605685 is a reply to message #374352] Thu, 06 December 2007 16:44 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Sorry Pascal,

I was away for some time.

The modeler is based on a xsd, that is translated into an ecore file,
that is used to generate the bpmn classes.

You can find it in the model folder of the bpmn plugin.

I hope this helps you.

Thanks,

Antoine

Pascal wrote:
> Hy Antoine,
>
> Thx for your fast post. I already thought, that there are no more
> resources, otherwise i would already have found one. I don't know if my
> work helps you, because i am writing it in german. But Maybe i can do
> something on the wiki, but at the moment i have no time for this, and i
> dont really know much about the modeler so far. But i will try to help
> you get it documented!
>
> but can you give me an advice for the xsl-part? is there an XSD for the
> modeler or a DTD?
>
> thank you
> Pascal
>


--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608559 is a reply to message #374361] Sat, 19 January 2008 22:31 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

Hy Antoine,

I have been away some time too :) but now i have to finish my paper and so
i will be quite motivated to do good work ;)

but i just cant find the xsd file. is it possible that there is no xsd
file but just the ecore?

i am pretty unsure how to start the exchange between the two filetypes. I
thought that i will transform the Adonis-XML into a XML-File that is
conform to the xsd of the Modeler. Therefore i need the xsd to check if
the file is valid. Then i would change the filetype from .xml to .bpmn and
it should work.

could you tell me please where i get this xsd, i am searching now for
hours, but cant find anything.

thx a lot!
pascal

Antoine Toulme wrote:

> Sorry Pascal,

> I was away for some time.

> The modeler is based on a xsd, that is translated into an ecore file,
> that is used to generate the bpmn classes.

> You can find it in the model folder of the bpmn plugin.

> I hope this helps you.

> Thanks,

> Antoine

> Pascal wrote:
>> Hy Antoine,
>>
>> Thx for your fast post. I already thought, that there are no more
>> resources, otherwise i would already have found one. I don't know if my
>> work helps you, because i am writing it in german. But Maybe i can do
>> something on the wiki, but at the moment i have no time for this, and i
>> dont really know much about the modeler so far. But i will try to help
>> you get it documented!
>>
>> but can you give me an advice for the xsl-part? is there an XSD for the
>> modeler or a DTD?
>>
>> thank you
>> Pascal
>>
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608562 is a reply to message #608559] Sun, 20 January 2008 08:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Here you go:
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/trunk/org.eclipse.s tp.bpmn/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn/model/bpmn.xsd?root=STP_SVN& ;view=log

Cheers,

Antoine

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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608564 is a reply to message #608562] Sun, 20 January 2008 10:01 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

Thank you very much for the fast reply, i would have never found that
alone ;)


Antoine Toulme wrote:

> Here you go:
>
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/trunk/org.eclipse.s tp.bpmn/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn/model/bpmn.xsd?root=STP_SVN& ;view=log

> Cheers,

> Antoine
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608566 is a reply to message #608564] Sun, 20 January 2008 12:42 Go to previous message
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Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hey Antoine,

now another problem occured. I tried to load the bpmn.xsd, ecore.xsd and
the xmi.xsd into altova xml spy. I made an example bpm an wanted to
validate the example.bpmn with those xsd files.

When in want to validate the file, this error occures (i translated it
from german;))

"The ComplexType Definition 'bpmn:SubProcess' already has attribute
'acitivity Type'
Details:
<a
href=" http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028/#ct-props -correct">ct-props-correct.4</a>:
The ComplexType Definition already has attribute 'acitivity Type'

would be very nice if you could help me with that!
thx a lot
pascal

This is the Part of the bpmn.xsd where the error occurs:
<!-- sub process are vertex amongst the enclosing sub process or pool
and at the same time they are also a graph
they also holds a lits of event handlers shape -->
<xsd:complexType name="SubProcess" ecore:implements="bpmn:Graph">
<xsd:complexContent>
<xsd:extension base="bpmn:Activity">
<xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element name="eventHandlers" type="bpmn:Activity" minOccurs="0"
maxOccurs="unbounded" ecore:opposite="eventHandlerFor"/>
</xsd:sequence>
<xsd:attribute name="isTransaction" type="xsd:boolean"/>
<!-- here is the failure: -->
<xsd:attribute name="activityType" type="bpmn:ActivityType"
fixed="SubProcess"/>
</xsd:extension>
<!-- intermediate events on the border of the shape -->
<!-- should it carry the transaction decoration?
Note: we do _not_ define the type of loop here.
That belongs to the data-editor that is specific to the target
language -->
<!-- defaults the type of activity -->
<!-- the state: collapsed, expanded or maximized is in the notation
model -->
</xsd:complexContent>
</xsd:complexType>
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608569 is a reply to message #608566] Sun, 20 January 2008 17:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Pascal wrote:
> Hey Antoine,
>
> now another problem occured. I tried to load the bpmn.xsd, ecore.xsd and
> the xmi.xsd into altova xml spy. I made an example bpm an wanted to
> validate the example.bpmn with those xsd files.
>
> When in want to validate the file, this error occures (i translated it
> from german;))
Hey Pascal, I can help you with anything that has to do with the BPMN
modeler. XML Spy is out of scope.

If anyone is having experiences with this tool, feel free to jump in and
help Pascal!

Cheers,

Antoine

>
> "The ComplexType Definition 'bpmn:SubProcess' already has attribute
> 'acitivity Type'
> Details:
> <a
> href=" http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-1-20041028/#ct-props -correct">ct-props-correct.4</a>:
> The ComplexType Definition already has attribute 'acitivity Type'
>
> would be very nice if you could help me with that!
> thx a lot
> pascal
>
> This is the Part of the bpmn.xsd where the error occurs:
> <!-- sub process are vertex amongst the enclosing sub process or pool
> and at the same time they are also a graph
> they also holds a lits of event handlers shape -->
> <xsd:complexType name="SubProcess" ecore:implements="bpmn:Graph">
> <xsd:complexContent>
> <xsd:extension base="bpmn:Activity">
> <xsd:sequence>
> <xsd:element name="eventHandlers"
> type="bpmn:Activity" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"
> ecore:opposite="eventHandlerFor"/>
> </xsd:sequence>
> <xsd:attribute name="isTransaction" type="xsd:boolean"/>
> <!-- here is the failure: -->
> <xsd:attribute name="activityType" type="bpmn:ActivityType"
> fixed="SubProcess"/>
> </xsd:extension>
> <!-- intermediate events on the border of the shape -->
> <!-- should it carry the transaction decoration?
> Note: we do _not_ define the type of loop here.
> That belongs to the data-editor that is specific to
> the target language -->
> <!-- defaults the type of activity -->
> <!-- the state: collapsed, expanded or maximized is in the
> notation model -->
> </xsd:complexContent>
> </xsd:complexType>
>
>
>


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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608570 is a reply to message #608569] Sun, 20 January 2008 22:14 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

Hey Antoine,
thank you very much for your help.

I just tried to find out the best way to transform Adonis-XML into files
that can be interpreted by the eclipse modeler. Now i tried to find out,
if it is possible to change the IDs in an .bpmn and .bpmn_diagram file to
other strings (like the IDs from AdonisXML) but if i do so i always get
some nullpointer Exceptions when i open the .bpmn_diagram file. so i
wanted to ask you what you think is the best way to make this work.

should i transform Adonis-XML into a .bpel and import the .bpel into
eclipse? But transforming data two times could create more new problems.
Also i think that i wont get the bpel2bpmn generator working. but thats an
other problem ;) i am now updating my hole Eclipse Europa and hope that it
helps a little. in The Eclipse Europa is there the BPEL2BPMN Generator
included?

Here you can find a "simple" BPM from Adonis saved as XML:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/xslt_test_Adonis.xml

this is how the bpm should look like in Eclipse:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/Adonis_BPM.jpg

and here you find the DTD for Adonis.xml:
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/adoxml.dtd

cheers,
Pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608571 is a reply to message #608570] Sun, 20 January 2008 22:26 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
> Hey Antoine,
> thank you very much for your help.
>
> I just tried to find out the best way to transform Adonis-XML into files
> that can be interpreted by the eclipse modeler. Now i tried to find out,
> if it is possible to change the IDs in an .bpmn and .bpmn_diagram file
> to other strings (like the IDs from AdonisXML) but if i do so i always
> get some nullpointer Exceptions when i open the .bpmn_diagram file. so i
> wanted to ask you what you think is the best way to make this work.
I don't know what a Adonis-XML file is to begin with. I don't think this
is a question for me, you should ask the Adonis guys. I think you are
having an issue with the namespace used by the ID attribute, which
requires the ecore definition to be loaded somehow into your tool.
>
> should i transform Adonis-XML into a .bpel and import the .bpel into
> eclipse? But transforming data two times could create more new problems.
> Also i think that i wont get the bpel2bpmn generator working. but thats
> an other problem ;)
I can help on that, to some extent.

i am now updating my hole Eclipse Europa and hope
> that it helps a little. in The Eclipse Europa is there the BPEL2BPMN
> Generator included?
No, this is a sample to show off our nice generation API, coupled with
an even nicer drag and drop system that kicks ass, if I may say.
>
> Here you can find a "simple" BPM from Adonis saved as XML:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/xslt_test_Adonis.xml
>
> this is how the bpm should look like in Eclipse:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/Adonis_BPM.jpg
>
> and here you find the DTD for Adonis.xml:
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0507761/adoxml.dtd

I'll take a look for sure.

Cheers,

Antoine
>
> cheers,
> Pascal
>


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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #608572 is a reply to message #374500] Sun, 20 January 2008 22:47 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

hey antoine,

quite impressive, how fast you reply on questions :)
i think i am gonna try to make some valid .bpel from the adonis xml. this
should avoid problems in the eclipse modeler.

now i just have to find out how to install the bpel2bpmn generator. i
already tried to drag and drop some .bpel file, but that does not really
work for me.

how can i find out if the bpmn generator is installed, if not, where do i
find the generator and maybe some help for it. like the API or a how-to

thx a lot!
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #610552 is a reply to message #374501] Sun, 20 January 2008 23:26 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
> hey antoine,
>
> quite impressive, how fast you reply on questions :)
As I said in a different thread before, just try out our professional
support!
> i think i am gonna try to make some valid .bpel from the adonis xml.
> this should avoid problems in the eclipse modeler.
Well, our BPEL generator is very limited. It's an example of what you
can do with our generation API.
>
> now i just have to find out how to install the bpel2bpmn generator. i
> already tried to drag and drop some .bpel file, but that does not really
> work for me.
What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
import the bpel2bpmn plugin:

svn co
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
bpel2bpmn

Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.


>
> how can i find out if the bpmn generator is installed,
You can find if a plugin is launched in a number of ways that add to the
fun.
Easiest: Help>About>Plugin details and see if the plugin name is present.
Hardest (but more fun): run your eclipse instance with the -console
argument. In the console you can ask for its status: status
org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples.

You can even start it yourself: start org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples

As I said, fun fun fun!
if not, where do
> i find the generator and maybe some help for it. like the API or a how-to
You should look at the bpel2bpmn code, and here is the API :
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.diagram/customsrc/org/eclipse/stp/bpm n/diagram/generation/impl/BPMNVisual2ProcessGenerator.java

>
> thx a lot!
>
Hope this helps.

Antoine

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Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #610557 is a reply to message #374502] Mon, 21 January 2008 10:51 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: weissbrot.gmail.com

> What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
> import the bpel2bpmn plugin:

> svn co
>
http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
> bpel2bpmn

i installed SVN Plugin now, imported the files from the svn repository
( http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/)

i just downloaded PDE and updated Eclipse - so JDT and PDE should be
installed. In the plugins folder there are plenty of JDT and PDE folders.
so i think it should work.

but so far i have the problem, that i dont know how to build the project,
because there is no main-method. I didnt do java-programming for a while :(

so far:
PDE + JDT installed (i hope it is working)
SVN installed
org.eclipse.stp.bpmn folder added as a project
found some bpel on the web i want to transform into a BPMN - but how? i
just dont find out how to build the project. sorry for that dumb
questions...

> Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
> run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
> that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
> into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.

Did i understand that correct:
Import stp.bpmn from svn --> build it (how?) --> open project with
existing bpmn diagram + bpel file --> drag the bpel file into the
bpmn-diagram file

thx a lot
pascal
Re: Further information BPMN Modeler [message #610558 is a reply to message #374506] Mon, 21 January 2008 11:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

pascal wrote:
>> What's your current configuration ? JDT+PDE ? In that case you can
>> import the bpel2bpmn plugin:
>
>> svn co
> http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/org.eclipse.stp.bpmn.samples/
>
>> bpel2bpmn
>
> i installed SVN Plugin now, imported the files from the svn repository
> ( http://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/stp/trunk/org.eclipse.stp.bpm n/)
>
> i just downloaded PDE and updated Eclipse - so JDT and PDE should be
> installed. In the plugins folder there are plenty of JDT and PDE
> folders. so i think it should work.
>
> but so far i have the problem, that i dont know how to build the
> project, because there is no main-method. I didnt do java-programming
> for a while :(
You should follow this webinar scheduled on the 22:
http://live.eclipse.org/node/406

To run Eclipse, just go to Run>Open Run dialog, create a new eclipse
instance configuration and run it.
>
> so far:
> PDE + JDT installed (i hope it is working)
> SVN installed
> org.eclipse.stp.bpmn folder added as a project
No, you need to add the four projects present in that folder.
> found some bpel on the web i want to transform into a BPMN - but how? i
> just dont find out how to build the project. sorry for that dumb
> questions...
>
>> Then you can import it into the workspace. You can then build it, and
>> run an Eclipse instance. In the Eclipse instance, select a bpel file
>> that is present in the same project as the bpmn diagram, and drop it
>> into the diagram. It should create a basic pool and some activities.
>
> Did i understand that correct:
> Import stp.bpmn from svn --> build it (how?)
Ctrl+B ?
--> open project with
> existing bpmn diagram + bpel file --> drag the bpel file into the
> bpmn-diagram file
>
> thx a lot
> pascal
>
>


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