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Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #374342] Sun, 18 November 2007 10:26 Go to next message
arman is currently offline armanFriend
Messages: 22
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Dear All

After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in STP.
We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement web
services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it is
the responsibility of JWT project).

Thanks,
Arman
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #374345 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: adrian.mos.objectweb.org

Hi Arman,

This capability is in fact under construction in the upcoming STP
Intermediate Model (STP-IM) component. There are transformations
underway (to be submitted soon) such as to convert BPMN models to the IM
and from IM elements to BPEL for instance (Andrea from Engineering, in
CC is working on these particular transformations). Other transformation
targets and sources include JBI and SCA.
You can have a look at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_Intermediate_Metamodel in order to get a
better picture of this. Please note that the version on the website is
only indicative as a more updated version will also be soon committed.

Cooperation with JWT is also envisaged in particular through
transformations between the JWT metamodel and the STP-IM.

Regards,
Adrian.

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP. We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #374346 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Adrian Mos is currently offline Adrian MosFriend
Messages: 20
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Arman,

This capability is in fact under construction in the upcoming STP
Intermediate Model (STP-IM) component. There are transformations
underway (to be submitted soon) such as to convert BPMN models to the IM
and from IM elements to BPEL for instance (Andrea from Engineering, in
CC is working on these particular transformations). Other transformation
targets and sources include JBI and SCA.
You can have a look at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_Intermediate_Metamodel in order to get a
better picture of this. Please note that the version on the website is
only indicative as a more updated version will also be soon committed.

Cooperation with JWT is also envisaged in particular through
transformations between the JWT metamodel and the STP-IM.

Regards,
Adrian.

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP. We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #374347 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:57 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

please see my comments inline:

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP.
Indeed, the STP BPMN modeler is exclusively a graphical editor that
produces BPMN diagrams.
We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
My company Intalio has built a product on the BPMN modeler that does
just that.

The JWT project aims at transforming the BPMN model into something
executable, which is a different approach. You should consider asking on
their newsgroup or mailing lists directly for more details.
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>

HTH

Antoine

--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #602511 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:52 Go to previous message
Adrian Mos is currently offline Adrian MosFriend
Messages: 20
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Arman,

This capability is in fact under construction in the upcoming STP
Intermediate Model (STP-IM) component. There are transformations
underway (to be submitted soon) such as to convert BPMN models to the IM
and from IM elements to BPEL for instance (Andrea from Engineering, in
CC is working on these particular transformations). Other transformation
targets and sources include JBI and SCA.
You can have a look at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_Intermediate_Metamodel in order to get a
better picture of this. Please note that the version on the website is
only indicative as a more updated version will also be soon committed.

Cooperation with JWT is also envisaged in particular through
transformations between the JWT metamodel and the STP-IM.

Regards,
Adrian.

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP. We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #602517 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:56 Go to previous message
Adrian Mos is currently offline Adrian MosFriend
Messages: 20
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Arman,

This capability is in fact under construction in the upcoming STP
Intermediate Model (STP-IM) component. There are transformations
underway (to be submitted soon) such as to convert BPMN models to the IM
and from IM elements to BPEL for instance (Andrea from Engineering, in
CC is working on these particular transformations). Other transformation
targets and sources include JBI and SCA.
You can have a look at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/STP_Intermediate_Metamodel in order to get a
better picture of this. Please note that the version on the website is
only indicative as a more updated version will also be soon committed.

Cooperation with JWT is also envisaged in particular through
transformations between the JWT metamodel and the STP-IM.

Regards,
Adrian.

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP. We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>
Re: Linking of Web Service to Processes [message #602522 is a reply to message #374342] Mon, 19 November 2007 17:57 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Hi,

please see my comments inline:

Arman wrote:
> Dear All
>
> After modeling of a process, we should link its activities to the web
> services which implement them, but this capability does not exist in
> STP.
Indeed, the STP BPMN modeler is exclusively a graphical editor that
produces BPMN diagrams.
We can model a process in BPMN modeler and also we can implement
> web services, but how can we link them? Modeling of a process without
> determining its implementation details does not have any value. Is this
> capability under construction or its behind the scope of STP (e.g in it
> is the responsibility of JWT project).
My company Intalio has built a product on the BPMN modeler that does
just that.

The JWT project aims at transforming the BPMN model into something
executable, which is a different approach. You should consider asking on
their newsgroup or mailing lists directly for more details.
>
> Thanks,
> Arman
>

HTH

Antoine

--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company

<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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