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Various comments on new site [message #3245] Thu, 05 May 2005 12:44 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sinleeh.hotmail.com

My $0.02 on the new website

(1) I REALLY miss the "What's New" section on the old site. That section
give me a very quick overview of important happenning in eclipse such as
New Project Releases, new Eclipse Article or new News article on eclipse
etc.

I'm afraid the Community/Projects/Foundation News did not quite replace
the functionality of "What's New" section. With "What's New" one can spot
new development in eclipse at a glance but with the new news section I
have to read three columns. The fact that the date is not the displayed
before the title means I have to read the whole title and that slows me
down. Stories in News sections are also meant to be faster moving "What's
New" and normally do not tell people how important the story is.

(2) There should be links to Eclipse Articles on the center panel to make
Eclipse Articles more prominent. I think this is important because the
abundance of free and useful Eclipse articles on how to program with
Eclipse Platform is what differentiate Eclipse from other offerings. This
is usually what sway developers from choosing one platform over another.

(3)One problem with the old website is that it is difficult to access
Eclipse Artwork page to download Eclipse-Ready, Eclipse-powered logoes. Is
it possible to remedy it on the new site?

While on this subject, what is the possibility of putting all developer
resources link into a "Developer" page?

(4)I'm slightly worried that the new website does not clearly distinguish
Eclipse from run-of-the-mill small software website. Just go to small
software websites and you will see that the content presentation etc is
almost the same as the new site.

(5)The new homepage also look a bit "too busy", may be this is because of
the short teaser is available besides the titles or articles.

(6)I find that navigation-wise, the new site is a bit confusing. May be it
is because I'm used to the old site. However, I did have to spend more
time studying the layout which I do not need to with the old website.

(7) The left hand panels for Tools project in the old eclipse site is a
bit confusing. Take www.eclipse.org/gef for example, there is two
"downloads" links and they link to different download pages makes it
confusing. Also, the left panel does not actually give you any navigation
of the GEF site. I have to stress that GEF is not alone in this respect.

Its always easier to criticize than to praise. Moreover, ctiticizing is
the easy part, especially if the critic does not have to do any work
beyond criticizing. Putting suggestions into action is difficult. Hat off
to the phoenix team for working on the website.

Best regards,
Sinleeh
Re: Various comments on new site [message #3279 is a reply to message #3245] Thu, 05 May 2005 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: andrew.geraghty.javalin.ca

Sinlee Huang wrote:

> My $0.02 on the new website

Sinleeh,

Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
forefront of design and development.

Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
generate discussion about: improving the site’s: use of real estate,
content, navigation and the overall accessibility and quality of the
information needed by the Eclipse community to perform their tasks.

> (1) I REALLY miss the "What's New" section on the old site. That section
> give me a very quick overview of important happenning in eclipse such as
> New Project Releases, new Eclipse Article or new News article on eclipse
> etc.

> I'm afraid the Community/Projects/Foundation News did not quite replace
> the functionality of "What's New" section. With "What's New" one can spot
> new development in eclipse at a glance but with the new news section I
> have to read three columns. The fact that the date is not the displayed
> before the title means I have to read the whole title and that slows me
> down. Stories in News sections are also meant to be faster moving "What's
> New" and normally do not tell people how important the story is.

(1) The idea behind this suggested change is to place the ‘what’s new’
information into categories that can be easily scanned by users allowing
them to pick out the information they need. Another suggestion that has
been raised is to have brief descriptions of the content contained within
the headline to helps users sort through the info.

> (2) There should be links to Eclipse Articles on the center panel to make
> Eclipse Articles more prominent. I think this is important because the
> abundance of free and useful Eclipse articles on how to program with
> Eclipse Platform is what differentiate Eclipse from other offerings. This
> is usually what sway developers from choosing one platform over another.

> (3)One problem with the old website is that it is difficult to access
> Eclipse Artwork page to download Eclipse-Ready, Eclipse-powered logoes. Is
> it possible to remedy it on the new site?

(3) This has been tabled as a problem and we will be providing better
accessibility to all pages.

> While on this subject, what is the possibility of putting all developer
> resources link into a "Developer" page?

> (4)I'm slightly worried that the new website does not clearly distinguish
> Eclipse from run-of-the-mill small software website. Just go to small
> software websites and you will see that the content presentation etc is
> almost the same as the new site.

(4) The intention of this particular treatment was not to change the
overall look and feel of the site, however a highlighted objectives of the
project is to “Reflect the professional character of the Eclipse
development platform and its community.” Where we will be looking to
separate ourselves from run of the mill sites in both design and function

> (5)The new homepage also look a bit "too busy", may be this is because of
> the short teaser is available besides the titles or articles.

> (6)I find that navigation-wise, the new site is a bit confusing. May be it
> is because I'm used to the old site. However, I did have to spend more
> time studying the layout which I do not need to with the old website.

> (7) The left hand panels for Tools project in the old eclipse site is a
> bit confusing. Take www.eclipse.org/gef for example, there is two
> "downloads" links and they link to different download pages makes it
> confusing. Also, the left panel does not actually give you any navigation
> of the GEF site. I have to stress that GEF is not alone in this respect.

> Its always easier to criticize than to praise. Moreover, ctiticizing is
> the easy part, especially if the critic does not have to do any work
> beyond criticizing. Putting suggestions into action is difficult. Hat off
> to the phoenix team for working on the website.

Thank You again for your praise and constructive criticism. We really do
want to place our audience at the focal point of design and development of
this project and would like to encourage participation.

Sincerely,
Andrew Geraghty

Eclipse
> Best regards,
> Sinleeh
Re: Various comments on new site [message #4116 is a reply to message #3279] Fri, 06 May 2005 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sinleeh.hotmail.com

Dear Andrew,

> Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
> forefront of design and development.

Other emails in the newsgroup had pointed out that Eclipse's audience are
very large: Contributors, developers (who writes plugin but do not
contribute) and end users who use Eclipse as the IDE.

My question is how do the design team plan to satisfy all three on the
homepage? I think we can safely says that developer and contributors are
more likely to click and go to a second level page and would not mind
doing so. This should be taken into consideration when planning the site
as it may free up a lot of real estate.

> Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
> the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
> generate discussion about: improving the site’s: use of real estate,
> content, navigation and the overall accessibility and quality of the
> information needed by the Eclipse community to perform their tasks.

Sorry for mistaken it is going to be the home page. On the actual Eclipse
Homepage it says that this is a "prototype Homepage", I guess I should had
paid more emphasis on the word "prototype"

>> (1) I REALLY miss the "What's New" section on the old site. That section
>> give me a very quick overview of important happenning in eclipse such as
>> New Project Releases, new Eclipse Article or new News article on eclipse
>> etc.

>> I'm afraid the Community/Projects/Foundation News did not quite replace
>> the functionality of "What's New" section. With "What's New" one can spot
>> new development in eclipse at a glance but with the new news section I
>> have to read three columns. The fact that the date is not the displayed
>> before the title means I have to read the whole title and that slows me
>> down. Stories in News sections are also meant to be faster moving "What's
>> New" and normally do not tell people how important the story is.

> (1) The idea behind this suggested change is to place the ‘what’s new’
> information into categories that can be easily scanned by users allowing
> them to pick out the information they need. Another suggestion that has
> been raised is to have brief descriptions of the content contained within
> the headline to helps users sort through the info.

I do see the point and the location of the three groups do show that the
web team did paid a lot of attention on it. Perhaps I should suggest that
a "NEW" prefix placed on every news item that is less than a few days old.
That will help me quickly pick up new additions in the three groups.

>> (4)I'm slightly worried that the new website does not clearly distinguish
>> Eclipse from run-of-the-mill small software website. Just go to small
>> software websites and you will see that the content presentation etc is
>> almost the same as the new site.

> (4) The intention of this particular treatment was not to change the
> overall look and feel of the site, however a highlighted objectives of the
> project is to “Reflect the professional character of the Eclipse
> development platform and its community.” Where we will be looking to
> separate ourselves from run of the mill sites in both design and function

Glad to hear this.

Best regards,
Sinleeh
Re: Various comments on new site [message #5104 is a reply to message #4116] Mon, 09 May 2005 16:40 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: andrew.geraghty.javalin.ca

Real Estate is valuable and there is a lot of discussion around how we plan
to tackle satisfying the entire audience. One idea we have come up with is
an 'audience dashboard' These would be pages designed specially as an
overview for these audience members allowing them to quickly scan
information that is relevant to them. The Eclipse .org homepage may contain
key information that helps them identify the appropriate dashboard for them.


"Sinlee Huang" <sinleeh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66134ef1738afb9b20da8132bcb6a3a0$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
>> Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
>> forefront of design and development.
>
> Other emails in the newsgroup had pointed out that Eclipse's audience are
> very large: Contributors, developers (who writes plugin but do not
> contribute) and end users who use Eclipse as the IDE.
>
> My question is how do the design team plan to satisfy all three on the
> homepage? I think we can safely says that developer and contributors are
> more likely to click and go to a second level page and would not mind
> doing so. This should be taken into consideration when planning the site
> as it may free up a lot of real estate.



>
>> Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
>> the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
>> generate discussion about: improving the site
Re: Various comments on new site [message #562035 is a reply to message #3245] Thu, 05 May 2005 16:40 Go to previous message
Andrew Geraghty is currently offline Andrew Geraghty
Messages: 30
Registered: July 2009
Member
Sinlee Huang wrote:

> My $0.02 on the new website

Sinleeh,

Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
forefront of design and development.

Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
generate discussion about: improving the site’s: use of real estate,
content, navigation and the overall accessibility and quality of the
information needed by the Eclipse community to perform their tasks.

> (1) I REALLY miss the "What's New" section on the old site. That section
> give me a very quick overview of important happenning in eclipse such as
> New Project Releases, new Eclipse Article or new News article on eclipse
> etc.

> I'm afraid the Community/Projects/Foundation News did not quite replace
> the functionality of "What's New" section. With "What's New" one can spot
> new development in eclipse at a glance but with the new news section I
> have to read three columns. The fact that the date is not the displayed
> before the title means I have to read the whole title and that slows me
> down. Stories in News sections are also meant to be faster moving "What's
> New" and normally do not tell people how important the story is.

(1) The idea behind this suggested change is to place the ‘what’s new’
information into categories that can be easily scanned by users allowing
them to pick out the information they need. Another suggestion that has
been raised is to have brief descriptions of the content contained within
the headline to helps users sort through the info.

> (2) There should be links to Eclipse Articles on the center panel to make
> Eclipse Articles more prominent. I think this is important because the
> abundance of free and useful Eclipse articles on how to program with
> Eclipse Platform is what differentiate Eclipse from other offerings. This
> is usually what sway developers from choosing one platform over another.

> (3)One problem with the old website is that it is difficult to access
> Eclipse Artwork page to download Eclipse-Ready, Eclipse-powered logoes. Is
> it possible to remedy it on the new site?

(3) This has been tabled as a problem and we will be providing better
accessibility to all pages.

> While on this subject, what is the possibility of putting all developer
> resources link into a "Developer" page?

> (4)I'm slightly worried that the new website does not clearly distinguish
> Eclipse from run-of-the-mill small software website. Just go to small
> software websites and you will see that the content presentation etc is
> almost the same as the new site.

(4) The intention of this particular treatment was not to change the
overall look and feel of the site, however a highlighted objectives of the
project is to “Reflect the professional character of the Eclipse
development platform and its community.” Where we will be looking to
separate ourselves from run of the mill sites in both design and function

> (5)The new homepage also look a bit "too busy", may be this is because of
> the short teaser is available besides the titles or articles.

> (6)I find that navigation-wise, the new site is a bit confusing. May be it
> is because I'm used to the old site. However, I did have to spend more
> time studying the layout which I do not need to with the old website.

> (7) The left hand panels for Tools project in the old eclipse site is a
> bit confusing. Take www.eclipse.org/gef for example, there is two
> "downloads" links and they link to different download pages makes it
> confusing. Also, the left panel does not actually give you any navigation
> of the GEF site. I have to stress that GEF is not alone in this respect.

> Its always easier to criticize than to praise. Moreover, ctiticizing is
> the easy part, especially if the critic does not have to do any work
> beyond criticizing. Putting suggestions into action is difficult. Hat off
> to the phoenix team for working on the website.

Thank You again for your praise and constructive criticism. We really do
want to place our audience at the focal point of design and development of
this project and would like to encourage participation.

Sincerely,
Andrew Geraghty

Eclipse
> Best regards,
> Sinleeh
Re: Various comments on new site [message #562410 is a reply to message #3279] Fri, 06 May 2005 17:09 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: sinleeh.hotmail.com

Dear Andrew,

> Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
> forefront of design and development.

Other emails in the newsgroup had pointed out that Eclipse's audience are
very large: Contributors, developers (who writes plugin but do not
contribute) and end users who use Eclipse as the IDE.

My question is how do the design team plan to satisfy all three on the
homepage? I think we can safely says that developer and contributors are
more likely to click and go to a second level page and would not mind
doing so. This should be taken into consideration when planning the site
as it may free up a lot of real estate.

> Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
> the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
> generate discussion about: improving the site’s: use of real estate,
> content, navigation and the overall accessibility and quality of the
> information needed by the Eclipse community to perform their tasks.

Sorry for mistaken it is going to be the home page. On the actual Eclipse
Homepage it says that this is a "prototype Homepage", I guess I should had
paid more emphasis on the word "prototype"

>> (1) I REALLY miss the "What's New" section on the old site. That section
>> give me a very quick overview of important happenning in eclipse such as
>> New Project Releases, new Eclipse Article or new News article on eclipse
>> etc.

>> I'm afraid the Community/Projects/Foundation News did not quite replace
>> the functionality of "What's New" section. With "What's New" one can spot
>> new development in eclipse at a glance but with the new news section I
>> have to read three columns. The fact that the date is not the displayed
>> before the title means I have to read the whole title and that slows me
>> down. Stories in News sections are also meant to be faster moving "What's
>> New" and normally do not tell people how important the story is.

> (1) The idea behind this suggested change is to place the ‘what’s new’
> information into categories that can be easily scanned by users allowing
> them to pick out the information they need. Another suggestion that has
> been raised is to have brief descriptions of the content contained within
> the headline to helps users sort through the info.

I do see the point and the location of the three groups do show that the
web team did paid a lot of attention on it. Perhaps I should suggest that
a "NEW" prefix placed on every news item that is less than a few days old.
That will help me quickly pick up new additions in the three groups.

>> (4)I'm slightly worried that the new website does not clearly distinguish
>> Eclipse from run-of-the-mill small software website. Just go to small
>> software websites and you will see that the content presentation etc is
>> almost the same as the new site.

> (4) The intention of this particular treatment was not to change the
> overall look and feel of the site, however a highlighted objectives of the
> project is to “Reflect the professional character of the Eclipse
> development platform and its community.” Where we will be looking to
> separate ourselves from run of the mill sites in both design and function

Glad to hear this.

Best regards,
Sinleeh
Re: Various comments on new site [message #562766 is a reply to message #4116] Mon, 09 May 2005 16:40 Go to previous message
Andrew Geraghty is currently offline Andrew Geraghty
Messages: 30
Registered: July 2009
Member
Real Estate is valuable and there is a lot of discussion around how we plan
to tackle satisfying the entire audience. One idea we have come up with is
an 'audience dashboard' These would be pages designed specially as an
overview for these audience members allowing them to quickly scan
information that is relevant to them. The Eclipse .org homepage may contain
key information that helps them identify the appropriate dashboard for them.


"Sinlee Huang" <sinleeh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:66134ef1738afb9b20da8132bcb6a3a0$1@www.eclipse.org...
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
>> Thanks for your feedback we really want the eclipse.org audience at the
>> forefront of design and development.
>
> Other emails in the newsgroup had pointed out that Eclipse's audience are
> very large: Contributors, developers (who writes plugin but do not
> contribute) and end users who use Eclipse as the IDE.
>
> My question is how do the design team plan to satisfy all three on the
> homepage? I think we can safely says that developer and contributors are
> more likely to click and go to a second level page and would not mind
> doing so. This should be taken into consideration when planning the site
> as it may free up a lot of real estate.



>
>> Just to clarify, the homepage treatment that you are referring to is not
>> the new eclipse.org website. Its is a quick fix that has been posted to
>> generate discussion about: improving the site
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