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[PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3202] Wed, 13 October 2004 04:03 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

I have posted an privacy policy complaint on newsgroup "eclipse.platform" on 2004-09-27.

[ECLIPSE.ORG] - Privacy Policy Violation
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=29852&g roup=eclipse.platform

Although i've additionally notified the webmaster (2004-10-02) and the eclipse direction (2004-10-06), i did not get any response to this.

Additionally, no correction happend (privacy-policy change notification on eclipse.org home page).

Several issues within eclipse foundation annoy me.

But this here makes me angry.

-

I am oversensitive to issues affecting my personal freedom.

Eclipse Foundation should ensure that such issues (affecting a persons freedom and rights) are processed with a highest priority.

I am still awaiting a comment on this.

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Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3266 is a reply to message #3202] Wed, 13 October 2004 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Main is currently offline Rich MainFriend
Messages: 1
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Ilias -

I understand your concerns. However, I do think that appropriate notice of
the legal documentation updates was posted on http://www.eclipse.org at the
time that the changes were originally made. See the September 8, 2004 entry
under the "What's New" banner.

Was this notice insufficient for some reason?

Rich

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Rich Main
Add-in Provider Representative, Eclipse Foundation Board

"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:opsfsivlmwrp2aut@news.eclipse.org...
> I have posted an privacy policy complaint on newsgroup "eclipse.platform"
on 2004-09-27.
>
> [ECLIPSE.ORG] - Privacy Policy Violation
>
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=29852&g roup=eclipse.platform
>
> Although i've additionally notified the webmaster (2004-10-02) and the
eclipse direction (2004-10-06), i did not get any response to this.
>
> Additionally, no correction happend (privacy-policy change notification on
eclipse.org home page).
>
> Several issues within eclipse foundation annoy me.
>
> But this here makes me angry.
>
> -
>
> I am oversensitive to issues affecting my personal freedom.
>
> Eclipse Foundation should ensure that such issues (affecting a persons
freedom and rights) are processed with a highest priority.
>
> I am still awaiting a comment on this.
>
> .
>
> --
> http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3302 is a reply to message #3266] Wed, 13 October 2004 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: richkulp.us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com

One thing might be useful in the notice. What changed? It's hard to tell
without reading the whole thing, and if its been awhile since you read
the old one you have to read it all and determine if it still meets your
privacy concerns. Parsing it all out to determine this is
time-consuming and error-prone. Changes to things like privacy should be
spelled out and not buried in the text.


--
Thanks,
Rich Kulp
Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3665 is a reply to message #3266] Thu, 14 October 2004 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:15:18 -0400, Rich Main <rich.main@sas.com> wrote:
[moved down into context by ilias]
>
> "ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:opsfsivlmwrp2aut@news.eclipse.org...
>> I have posted an privacy policy complaint on newsgroup "eclipse.platform"
> on 2004-09-27.
>>
>> [ECLIPSE.ORG] - Privacy Policy Violation
>>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=29852&g roup=eclipse.platform
>>
>> Although i've additionally notified the webmaster (2004-10-02) and the
>> eclipse direction (2004-10-06), i did not get any response to this.
>>
>> Additionally, no correction happend (privacy-policy change notification on
>> eclipse.org home page).
>
> Ilias -
>
> I understand your concerns. However, I do think that appropriate notice of
> the legal documentation updates was posted on http://www.eclipse.org at the
> time that the changes were originally made. See the September 8, 2004 entry
> under the "What's New" banner.

"September 8 - The Eclipse Foundation has begun the process of transitioning from the CPL to the EPL. Read the many new and updated documents associated with the relicensing plan."
source: http://www.eclipse.org [What's New section]

> Was this notice insufficient for some reason?

This notice has no relevance to my privacy case:

The notice refers to:

"September 8"
"CPL to EPL" / "relicensing plan"
"updated documents"

-

my complaint refers to:

"September 10"
"Privacy Statement"
"change notification"

"
Notification of Changes

This privacy statement was last updated on September 10, 2004. A notice
will be posted on this Web site home page for thirty (30) days whenever
this privacy statement is changed.
"
source: http://www.eclipse.org/legal/privacy.html

>> Several issues within eclipse foundation annoy me.
>>
>> But this here makes me angry.

Although angry, I've expressed myself carefully:

"Possible Violation:
Missing privacy statement change notification on http://eclipse.org"
source: http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=29852&g roup=eclipse.platform

>> I am oversensitive to issues affecting my personal freedom.

After 2 weeks of seeing eclipse.org essentially ignoring this case, I start to loose my patience.

>> Eclipse Foundation should ensure that such issues (affecting a persons
>> freedom and rights) are processed with a highest priority.

It becomes more and more _unbelievable_ to me, how the Eclipse Foundation treats my complaint.

We are talking here about the Eclipse Foundation, with members like...

*IBM*, *HP*, *Intel*, *Ericson*, *SAP*, *QNX*, ...!

Personally to me, the behaviour of the Foundation reflects directly to its members.

I really don't believe all this!

>> I am still awaiting a comment on this.

Still no comment from the _responsible_ persons!

This is _inacceptable_ !

-

I expect at _minimum_ the following information:

- when : [covered: 2004-09-10]
- who : has made the change.
- why : (rationales/justifications for changing the privacy policy)
- what : a clearly visible difference-report of the document

An example for a clear difference-report from netbeans [related to licensing]:

http://www.netbeans.org/about/legal/mpl-spl-ldiff.html

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http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3897 is a reply to message #3302] Thu, 14 October 2004 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:34:15 -0400, Rich Kulp <richkulp@us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com> wrote:

> One thing might be useful in the notice.

[clarification: there was no notice specific to the privacy policy change.]

> What changed? It's hard to tell
> without reading the whole thing, and if its been awhile since you read
> the old one you have to read it all and determine if it still meets your
> privacy concerns. Parsing it all out to determine this is
> time-consuming and error-prone. Changes to things like privacy should be
> spelled out and not buried in the text.

exactly.

a diff like this on helps out:

http://www.netbeans.org/about/legal/mpl-spl-ldiff.html

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http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #3962 is a reply to message #3202] Fri, 15 October 2004 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Milinkovich is currently offline Mike MilinkovichFriend
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I apologize for the delay in responding to this one.

The change made to the Privacy Policy was totally non-functional and only
involved changing in the first paragraph, "Eclipse.org" to "the Eclipse
Foundation".

I hope this helps explain what happened.

------------------
Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director,
Eclipse Foundation, Inc.


"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:opsfsivlmwrp2aut@news.eclipse.org...
> I have posted an privacy policy complaint on newsgroup "eclipse.platform"
on 2004-09-27.
>
> [ECLIPSE.ORG] - Privacy Policy Violation
>
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=29852&g roup=eclipse.platform
>
> Although i've additionally notified the webmaster (2004-10-02) and the
eclipse direction (2004-10-06), i did not get any response to this.
>
> Additionally, no correction happend (privacy-policy change notification on
eclipse.org home page).
>
> Several issues within eclipse foundation annoy me.
>
> But this here makes me angry.
>
> -
>
> I am oversensitive to issues affecting my personal freedom.
>
> Eclipse Foundation should ensure that such issues (affecting a persons
freedom and rights) are processed with a highest priority.
>
> I am still awaiting a comment on this.
>
> .
>
> --
> http://lazaridis.com
Re: [PRIVACY] - Treatment of Privacy Policy Complaints [message #4019 is a reply to message #3962] Fri, 15 October 2004 16:23 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:19:48 -0400, Mike Milinkovich
<mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org> wrote:

> I apologize for the delay in responding to this one.
>
> The change made to the Privacy Policy was totally non-functional and only
> involved changing in the first paragraph, "Eclipse.org" to "the Eclipse
> Foundation".
>
> I hope this helps explain what happened.

Thank you for the clarifications.

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