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Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3196] Thu, 14 June 2007 12:47 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: joerg.frantzius.aperto.de

Hi,

on the Mylyn project page, in the download section the URL still carries
the name "mylar".

Do there exist any estimates as to when proper Mylyn dev builds will be
available, and on what update site URL?

Regards,
Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3229 is a reply to message #3196] Thu, 14 June 2007 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

We are done with the source code rename, related restructuring, and most
importantly the transitioning mechanism:

192308: invalidate previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

The current plan is:
* 3.3 Dev build today
* 3.3 Dev/RC1 preview build tomorrow
* 3.2 and 3.3 RC1 build Monday the 18th (the 3.2 backport will be very
involved this time due to the rename)

Mik

Jörg von Frantzius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on the Mylyn project page, in the download section the URL still carries
> the name "mylar".
>
> Do there exist any estimates as to when proper Mylyn dev builds will be
> available, and on what update site URL?
>
> Regards,
> Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3295 is a reply to message #3229] Thu, 14 June 2007 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jörg Thönnes is currently offline Jörg ThönnesFriend
Messages: 229
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
On 06/14/07 17:02, Mik Kersten wrote:
> We are done with the source code rename, related restructuring, and most
> importantly the transitioning mechanism:
>
> 192308: invalidate previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308
>
> The current plan is:
> * 3.3 Dev build today
> * 3.3 Dev/RC1 preview build tomorrow
> * 3.2 and 3.3 RC1 build Monday the 18th (the 3.2 backport will be very
> involved this time due to the rename)

Will there be a 3.2 Mylyn, or will it stay named as Mylar to allow upgrades?

Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a re-install?

IMHO, the procedure:

* Export Tasks
* Uninstall Mylar
* Install Mylyn
* Import Tasks

should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening every day, though.

Cheers, Jörg

>
> Mik
>
> Jörg von Frantzius wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> on the Mylyn project page, in the download section the URL still
>> carries the name "mylar".
>>
>> Do there exist any estimates as to when proper Mylyn dev builds will
>> be available, and on what update site URL?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3328 is a reply to message #3295] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

Jörg Thönnes wrote:
....
> Will there be a 3.2 Mylyn, or will it stay named as Mylar to allow upgrades?

Since we are committed to having a 3.2 release of our 2.0 release, yes,
the plan is to have a 3.2-based Mylyn as well.

> Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a re-install?
>
> IMHO, the procedure:
>
> * Export Tasks
> * Uninstall Mylar
> * Install Mylyn
> * Import Tasks
>
> should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening every day, though.

I don't think that it is smooth enough for the average use because of
how hard it is to uninstall things in Eclipse (especially 3.2). Also,
many users have numerous versions of org.eclipse.mylar plug-ins
installed since they have been using "Search for updates". And the
bottom line is that we dread thinking of the tens of thousands of users
having to waste time on taking up to an hour for going through those
steps when what we're trying to do is save people time ;)

So thanks to some OSGi version trickery, when you update to Mylyn, the
old plug-ins will automagically stop working and users should have no
additional update steps.

192308: disable previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

Mik
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3361 is a reply to message #3328] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jörg Thönnes is currently offline Jörg ThönnesFriend
Messages: 229
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mik,

On 06/14/07 18:10, Mik Kersten wrote:
> Jörg Thönnes wrote:
> ...
>> Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a
>> re-install?
>>
>> IMHO, the procedure:
>>
>> * Export Tasks
>> * Uninstall Mylar
>> * Install Mylyn
>> * Import Tasks
>>
>> should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening
>> every day, though.
>
> I don't think that it is smooth enough for the average use because of
> how hard it is to uninstall things in Eclipse (especially 3.2). Also,
> many users have numerous versions of org.eclipse.mylar plug-ins
> installed since they have been using "Search for updates". And the
> bottom line is that we dread thinking of the tens of thousands of users
> having to waste time on taking up to an hour for going through those
> steps when what we're trying to do is save people time ;)

I really do appreciate this kind of social thinking: You will save the mankind about 10.000 hours of
time.

Thanks, I am looking forward to try this.

> So thanks to some OSGi version trickery, when you update to Mylyn, the
> old plug-ins will automagically stop working and users should have no
> additional update steps.
>
> 192308: disable previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

Cheers, Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #3395 is a reply to message #3361] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:45 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jörg Thönnes [mailto:Joerg.Thoennes@macd.com]
....
> I really do appreciate this kind of social thinking: You will save the
> mankind about 10.000 hours of
> time.

I can't tell you how many times Rob and I have been in the office late
and one of us has said something to the effect of: if we spend just one
more hour on this feature just think how many hours we'll save people ;)
It's seems to be our little internal mantra when then things get
tough (e.g. when you have to rename and restructure your entire
codebase). I think that we once jotted it down as "working very long
hours so that you don't have to" ;)

OK, enough kidding around, back to the code :)

Mik
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #567452 is a reply to message #3196] Thu, 14 June 2007 15:02 Go to previous message
Mik Kersten is currently offline Mik KerstenFriend
Messages: 287
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
We are done with the source code rename, related restructuring, and most
importantly the transitioning mechanism:

192308: invalidate previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

The current plan is:
* 3.3 Dev build today
* 3.3 Dev/RC1 preview build tomorrow
* 3.2 and 3.3 RC1 build Monday the 18th (the 3.2 backport will be very
involved this time due to the rename)

Mik

Jörg von Frantzius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on the Mylyn project page, in the download section the URL still carries
> the name "mylar".
>
> Do there exist any estimates as to when proper Mylyn dev builds will be
> available, and on what update site URL?
>
> Regards,
> Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #567504 is a reply to message #3229] Thu, 14 June 2007 15:56 Go to previous message
Jörg Thönnes is currently offline Jörg ThönnesFriend
Messages: 229
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
On 06/14/07 17:02, Mik Kersten wrote:
> We are done with the source code rename, related restructuring, and most
> importantly the transitioning mechanism:
>
> 192308: invalidate previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308
>
> The current plan is:
> * 3.3 Dev build today
> * 3.3 Dev/RC1 preview build tomorrow
> * 3.2 and 3.3 RC1 build Monday the 18th (the 3.2 backport will be very
> involved this time due to the rename)

Will there be a 3.2 Mylyn, or will it stay named as Mylar to allow upgrades?

Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a re-install?

IMHO, the procedure:

* Export Tasks
* Uninstall Mylar
* Install Mylyn
* Import Tasks

should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening every day, though.

Cheers, Jörg

>
> Mik
>
> Jörg von Frantzius wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> on the Mylyn project page, in the download section the URL still
>> carries the name "mylar".
>>
>> Do there exist any estimates as to when proper Mylyn dev builds will
>> be available, and on what update site URL?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #567538 is a reply to message #3295] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:10 Go to previous message
Mik Kersten is currently offline Mik KerstenFriend
Messages: 287
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Jörg Thönnes wrote:
....
> Will there be a 3.2 Mylyn, or will it stay named as Mylar to allow upgrades?

Since we are committed to having a 3.2 release of our 2.0 release, yes,
the plan is to have a 3.2-based Mylyn as well.

> Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a re-install?
>
> IMHO, the procedure:
>
> * Export Tasks
> * Uninstall Mylar
> * Install Mylyn
> * Import Tasks
>
> should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening every day, though.

I don't think that it is smooth enough for the average use because of
how hard it is to uninstall things in Eclipse (especially 3.2). Also,
many users have numerous versions of org.eclipse.mylar plug-ins
installed since they have been using "Search for updates". And the
bottom line is that we dread thinking of the tens of thousands of users
having to waste time on taking up to an hour for going through those
steps when what we're trying to do is save people time ;)

So thanks to some OSGi version trickery, when you update to Mylyn, the
old plug-ins will automagically stop working and users should have no
additional update steps.

192308: disable previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

Mik
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #567564 is a reply to message #3328] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:26 Go to previous message
Jörg Thönnes is currently offline Jörg ThönnesFriend
Messages: 229
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Mik,

On 06/14/07 18:10, Mik Kersten wrote:
> Jörg Thönnes wrote:
> ...
>> Is the Mylar plugin still upgradable to Mylyn, or does it mean a
>> re-install?
>>
>> IMHO, the procedure:
>>
>> * Export Tasks
>> * Uninstall Mylar
>> * Install Mylyn
>> * Import Tasks
>>
>> should also work. It is not as smooth, but the rename is not happening
>> every day, though.
>
> I don't think that it is smooth enough for the average use because of
> how hard it is to uninstall things in Eclipse (especially 3.2). Also,
> many users have numerous versions of org.eclipse.mylar plug-ins
> installed since they have been using "Search for updates". And the
> bottom line is that we dread thinking of the tens of thousands of users
> having to waste time on taking up to an hour for going through those
> steps when what we're trying to do is save people time ;)

I really do appreciate this kind of social thinking: You will save the mankind about 10.000 hours of
time.

Thanks, I am looking forward to try this.

> So thanks to some OSGi version trickery, when you update to Mylyn, the
> old plug-ins will automagically stop working and users should have no
> additional update steps.
>
> 192308: disable previous Mylar installs when updating to Mylyn
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=192308

Cheers, Jörg
Re: Update-Site, builds with new feature name? [message #567608 is a reply to message #3361] Thu, 14 June 2007 16:45 Go to previous message
Mik Kersten is currently offline Mik KerstenFriend
Messages: 287
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jörg Thönnes [mailto:Joerg.Thoennes@macd.com]
....
> I really do appreciate this kind of social thinking: You will save the
> mankind about 10.000 hours of
> time.

I can't tell you how many times Rob and I have been in the office late
and one of us has said something to the effect of: if we spend just one
more hour on this feature just think how many hours we'll save people ;)
It's seems to be our little internal mantra when then things get
tough (e.g. when you have to rename and restructure your entire
codebase). I think that we once jotted it down as "working very long
hours so that you don't have to" ;)

OK, enough kidding around, back to the code :)

Mik
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