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Re: What The? [message #36161] Tue, 30 October 2007 13:17 Go to next message
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Scott,

I've added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply. I assume
you've read

http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Running _Stem_as_a_standalone_application

and that you've looked at the online help.

Keep in mind that Eclipse is an open source project and hence your
involvement in helping make it better will be appreciated. There is a
wiki where you could start to outline a user's guide and hope that this
will prompt the developers to help flesh it out further:
<http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM>

http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM

With EMF, if folks start a wiki document and ask me to review it, I
typically feel compelled to expand on it. The principle being that I
tend to be more inclined to help those who help themselves...


Scott Winch wrote:
> STEM is NOT user friendly software. A guide to how to use STEM rather
> than the current guide on what STEM can do would be so much more
> useful... It's like giving you a jet and telling you where you can go,
> but no pilot!!
>
> I have spent quite some time trying to navigate through STEM only to
> find barrier after barrier. This is not a useful tool in an outbreak
> setting because it is not user friendly, a fundamental principle in
> I.T. systems!!
>
> There should at least be on line tutorials which would make it so much
> more acceptable...
>
> Are there any solutions out there???
>
>


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Scott,<br>
<br>
I've added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply.
Re: What The? [message #36195 is a reply to message #36161] Tue, 30 October 2007 14:00 Go to previous message
Daniel Ford is currently offline Daniel FordFriend
Messages: 138
Registered: July 2009
Location: New York
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Ed,=20
thanks for cross posting to ohf, I missed this one...

Scott,
I agree with you, at the moment, STEM is not very user friendly (but =
everything does work). The code was released in June and is still in =
"incubation", so I would classify it as "not done yet". The reason it =
was released was to make it possible for others to contribute to its =
development, including helping with the code, data, mathematics, =
documentation, tutorials, NLS, etc. Right now we've got people working =
on model mathematics (including the only Epidemiologist I know who can =
also handle EMF!), BIRT integration, advanced transportation models =
(e.g., people on airplanes, cows on trucks), NASA World Wind integration =
(mostly done), batch processing, data set legalities, and GUI design, to =
name just a few things going on. =20

Please come join the team, we'd love to have your help. The first thing =
you could do is use the Eclipse bugzilla to report the things you think =
need attention. Follow this link: =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF

--=20
Daniel Ford
IBM Almaden Research Center
San Jose, CA
"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message =
news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.eclipse.org...
Scott,

I've added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply. I assume =
you've read

=
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Running _Stem_as_a_st=
andalone_application

and that you've looked at the online help.

Keep in mind that Eclipse is an open source project and hence your =
involvement in helping make it better will be appreciated. There is a =
wiki where you could start to outline a user's guide and hope that this =
will prompt the developers to help flesh it out further:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM

With EMF, if folks start a wiki document and ask me to review it, I =
typically feel compelled to expand on it. The principle being that I =
tend to be more inclined to help those who help themselves...


Scott Winch wrote:=20
STEM is NOT user friendly software. A guide to how to use STEM =
rather than the current guide on what STEM can do would be so much more =
useful... It's like giving you a jet and telling you where you can go, =
but no pilot!!=20

I have spent quite some time trying to navigate through STEM only to =
find barrier after barrier. This is not a useful tool in an outbreak =
setting because it is not user friendly, a fundamental principle in I.T. =
systems!!=20

There should at least be on line tutorials which would make it so =
much more acceptable...=20

Are there any solutions out there???=20





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ed, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for cross =
posting to ohf,=20
I missed this one...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree with you, at =
the moment,=20
STEM is not very user friendly (but everything does =
work).&nbsp;&nbsp;The code=20
was released in June and is still in "incubation", so I would classify =
it as=20
"not done yet".&nbsp; The reason it was released was to make it possible =
for=20
others to contribute to its development, including helping with the =
code, data,=20
mathematics, documentation, tutorials, NLS, etc. Right now we've got =
people=20
working on model mathematics (including the only Epidemiologist I know =
who can=20
also handle EMF!), BIRT integration, advanced transportation models=20
(e.g.,&nbsp;people on airplanes, cows on trucks), NASA World Wind =
integration=20
(mostly done), batch processing, data set legalities, and GUI design, to =
name=20
just a few things going on.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please come join the team, we'd love to =
have your=20
help. The first thing you could do is use the Eclipse bugzilla to=20
report&nbsp;the things you think need attention. Follow this =
link:&nbsp;<A=20
href=3D"https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF">https:=
//bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF</A></FONT ></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>-- <BR>Daniel Ford<BR>IBM =
Almaden=20
Research Center<BR>San Jose, CA</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Ed Merks" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:merks@ca.ibm.com">merks@ca.ibm.com</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.eclipse.org">news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.ecli=
pse.org</A>...</DIV>Scott,<BR><BR>I've=20
added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply.&nbsp; I assume =
you've=20
read<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A=20
=
href=3D" http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Running _Stem=
_as_a_standalone_application">http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installat=
ion_Guide#Running_Stem_as_a_standalone_application</A><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>an=
d=20
that you've looked at the online help.<BR><BR>Keep in mind that =
Eclipse is an=20
open source project and hence your involvement in helping make it =
better will=20
be appreciated.&nbsp; There is a wiki&nbsp; where you could start to =
outline a=20
user's guide and hope that this will prompt the developers to help =
flesh it=20
out further:<A =
href=3D"http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM"><BR></A>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A=20
=
href=3D"http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM">http://wiki.eclipse.o=
rg/index.php/OHF#STEM</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>With=20
EMF, if folks start a wiki document and ask me to review it, I =
typically feel=20
compelled to expand on it.&nbsp;&nbsp; The principle being that I tend =
to be=20
more inclined to help those who help themselves...<BR><BR><BR>Scott =
Winch=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3Dmid:de788bcf8d3b00eaebd5cfb1042d73df$1@www.eclipse.org=20
type=3D"cite">STEM is NOT user friendly software. A guide to how to =
use STEM=20
rather than the current guide on what STEM can do would be so much =
more=20
useful... It's like giving you a jet and telling you where you can =
go, but=20
no pilot!! <BR><BR>I have spent quite some time trying to navigate =
through=20
STEM only to find barrier after barrier. This is not a useful tool =
in an=20
outbreak setting because it is not user friendly, a fundamental =
principle in=20
I.T. systems!! <BR><BR>There should at least be on line tutorials =
which=20
would make it so much more acceptable... <BR><BR>Are there any =
solutions out=20
there??? <BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >

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Re: What The? [message #582746 is a reply to message #36161] Tue, 30 October 2007 14:00 Go to previous message
Daniel Ford is currently offline Daniel FordFriend
Messages: 138
Registered: July 2009
Location: New York
Senior Member
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Ed,=20
thanks for cross posting to ohf, I missed this one...

Scott,
I agree with you, at the moment, STEM is not very user friendly (but =
everything does work). The code was released in June and is still in =
"incubation", so I would classify it as "not done yet". The reason it =
was released was to make it possible for others to contribute to its =
development, including helping with the code, data, mathematics, =
documentation, tutorials, NLS, etc. Right now we've got people working =
on model mathematics (including the only Epidemiologist I know who can =
also handle EMF!), BIRT integration, advanced transportation models =
(e.g., people on airplanes, cows on trucks), NASA World Wind integration =
(mostly done), batch processing, data set legalities, and GUI design, to =
name just a few things going on. =20

Please come join the team, we'd love to have your help. The first thing =
you could do is use the Eclipse bugzilla to report the things you think =
need attention. Follow this link: =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF

--=20
Daniel Ford
IBM Almaden Research Center
San Jose, CA
"Ed Merks" <merks@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message =
news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.eclipse.org...
Scott,

I've added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply. I assume =
you've read

=
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Running _Stem_as_a_st=
andalone_application

and that you've looked at the online help.

Keep in mind that Eclipse is an open source project and hence your =
involvement in helping make it better will be appreciated. There is a =
wiki where you could start to outline a user's guide and hope that this =
will prompt the developers to help flesh it out further:

http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM

With EMF, if folks start a wiki document and ask me to review it, I =
typically feel compelled to expand on it. The principle being that I =
tend to be more inclined to help those who help themselves...


Scott Winch wrote:=20
STEM is NOT user friendly software. A guide to how to use STEM =
rather than the current guide on what STEM can do would be so much more =
useful... It's like giving you a jet and telling you where you can go, =
but no pilot!!=20

I have spent quite some time trying to navigate through STEM only to =
find barrier after barrier. This is not a useful tool in an outbreak =
setting because it is not user friendly, a fundamental principle in I.T. =
systems!!=20

There should at least be on line tutorials which would make it so =
much more acceptable...=20

Are there any solutions out there???=20





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content=3Dtext/html;charset=3DISO-8859-15>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16544" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY text=3D#000000 bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ed, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for cross =
posting to ohf,=20
I missed this one...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree with you, at =
the moment,=20
STEM is not very user friendly (but everything does =
work).&nbsp;&nbsp;The code=20
was released in June and is still in "incubation", so I would classify =
it as=20
"not done yet".&nbsp; The reason it was released was to make it possible =
for=20
others to contribute to its development, including helping with the =
code, data,=20
mathematics, documentation, tutorials, NLS, etc. Right now we've got =
people=20
working on model mathematics (including the only Epidemiologist I know =
who can=20
also handle EMF!), BIRT integration, advanced transportation models=20
(e.g.,&nbsp;people on airplanes, cows on trucks), NASA World Wind =
integration=20
(mostly done), batch processing, data set legalities, and GUI design, to =
name=20
just a few things going on.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please come join the team, we'd love to =
have your=20
help. The first thing you could do is use the Eclipse bugzilla to=20
report&nbsp;the things you think need attention. Follow this =
link:&nbsp;<A=20
href=3D"https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF">https:=
//bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DOHF</A></FONT ></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR>-- <BR>Daniel Ford<BR>IBM =
Almaden=20
Research Center<BR>San Jose, CA</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Ed Merks" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:merks@ca.ibm.com">merks@ca.ibm.com</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.eclipse.org">news:fg7atu$qdj$1@build.ecli=
pse.org</A>...</DIV>Scott,<BR><BR>I've=20
added the OHF newsgroup to the "to" list of the reply.&nbsp; I assume =
you've=20
read<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A=20
=
href=3D" http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Running _Stem=
_as_a_standalone_application">http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Installat=
ion_Guide#Running_Stem_as_a_standalone_application</A><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>an=
d=20
that you've looked at the online help.<BR><BR>Keep in mind that =
Eclipse is an=20
open source project and hence your involvement in helping make it =
better will=20
be appreciated.&nbsp; There is a wiki&nbsp; where you could start to =
outline a=20
user's guide and hope that this will prompt the developers to help =
flesh it=20
out further:<A =
href=3D"http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM"><BR></A>
<BLOCKQUOTE><A=20
=
href=3D"http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/OHF#STEM">http://wiki.eclipse.o=
rg/index.php/OHF#STEM</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>With=20
EMF, if folks start a wiki document and ask me to review it, I =
typically feel=20
compelled to expand on it.&nbsp;&nbsp; The principle being that I tend =
to be=20
more inclined to help those who help themselves...<BR><BR><BR>Scott =
Winch=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3Dmid:de788bcf8d3b00eaebd5cfb1042d73df$1@www.eclipse.org=20
type=3D"cite">STEM is NOT user friendly software. A guide to how to =
use STEM=20
rather than the current guide on what STEM can do would be so much =
more=20
useful... It's like giving you a jet and telling you where you can =
go, but=20
no pilot!! <BR><BR>I have spent quite some time trying to navigate =
through=20
STEM only to find barrier after barrier. This is not a useful tool =
in an=20
outbreak setting because it is not user friendly, a fundamental =
principle in=20
I.T. systems!! <BR><BR>There should at least be on line tutorials =
which=20
would make it so much more acceptable... <BR><BR>Are there any =
solutions out=20
there??? <BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >

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