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Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616597 is a reply to message #140991] Mon, 24 September 2007 17:13 Go to previous message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello Chris,

if you have an patch add it to this bug.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542

thanks
Erik

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> news:1828206571.34131190386989074.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
>> Philippe,
>>
>> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
> I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
> GridBagConstraints()" clause).
> Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
> that all bugs and issues are there .
> Cordially
>
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616598 is a reply to message #141012] Mon, 24 September 2007 17:26 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Hello Chris,
&gt;
&gt; if you have an patch add it to this bug.
&gt; https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542
&gt;
&gt; thanks
&gt; Erik

Alas, my schedule does not permit me the time to participate in this project at a deeper level than just as a user. I'm afraid my criticism cannot be that constructive. :-)

I did post four bug reports and a feature request today, though.

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616599 is a reply to message #140991] Mon, 24 September 2007 18:18 Go to previous message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello Chris,

if you have an patch add it to this bug.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542

thanks
Erik

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> news:1828206571.34131190386989074.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
>> Philippe,
>>
>> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
> I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
> GridBagConstraints()" clause).
> Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
> that all bugs and issues are there .
> Cordially
>
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616600 is a reply to message #141034] Mon, 24 September 2007 18:22 Go to previous message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello all,

I have updated again. All patches I know are currently in cvs. Idid only
built it.

Here is the link again where you can find my (non-official) version.

http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html

best regards

Erik
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616602 is a reply to message #141045] Tue, 25 September 2007 02:31 Go to previous message
Thomas Steinbach is currently offline Thomas Steinbach
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Hello Erik,

> Here is the link again where you can find my (non-official) version.
> http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html

Which kind of the wtp package should be installed to have "jem"
in my windows installation of Europe?

the "Web Tools Platform All-In-One Packages" (~260M win)
-> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-2.0-200706260303-win32.zip

the "Web Tools Platform Complete" (~37M win)
-> wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip

or the "Web Standard Tools" (~18M win)
-> wtp-wst-R-2.0-200706260303.zip

Thomas
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616605 is a reply to message #141067] Tue, 25 September 2007 09:30 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Hello Erik,
&gt;
&gt; > Here is the link again where you can find my
&gt; (non-official) version.
&gt; > http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html
&gt;
&gt; Which kind of the wtp package should be installed to
&gt; have "jem"
&gt; in my windows installation of Europe?
&gt;
&gt; the "Web Tools Platform All-In-One Packages" (~260M
&gt; win)
&gt; -> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-2.0-200706260303-win32.zip
&gt;
&gt; the "Web Tools Platform Complete" (~37M win)
&gt; -> wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip
&gt;
&gt; or the "Web Standard Tools" (~18M win)
&gt; -> wtp-wst-R-2.0-200706260303.zip
&gt;
&gt; Thomas

Thomas,

See my notes in comment #7 above. I found that I needed v3.0M1 of WTP because VE needs JEM v2.0.0 and WTP v2.x has an older version of JEM.

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616609 is a reply to message #140822] Sun, 23 September 2007 20:04 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
news:155712966.30271190320497180.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are
the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps,
just one working solution.
>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the
authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an "
org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above

Hey that is a cool step by step guide :-)
Note:The .eclipseextension can be empty. the content does not matter mostly.
Could you do something for all of us?
Add those steps and instructions to that wiki page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
Then as soon as we have anofficial build we can update it :-)
Thanks!
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616610 is a reply to message #141023] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:10 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
news:49740909.43601190669196292.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
> Alas, my schedule does not permit me the time to participate in this
project at a deeper level than just as a user. I'm afraid my criticism
cannot be that constructive. :-)
> I did post four bug reports and a feature request today, though.
We all know the feeling.
Bugs and feature request are super helpful too. Thanks for helping!
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616614 is a reply to message #140822] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:34 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff.
>In the end, these are the steps that worked for me.
>Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.

Chris I added you rinstructions to that wiki page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
Thanks again!
All feel free to edit the page as needed if the step do not work for you.

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net
>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the
authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an "
org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616637 is a reply to message #140822] Tue, 02 October 2007 18:17 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: aslam.13thfloor.com

Chris Dolan wrote:

> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)

Thanks for the step by step but how do I accomplish step 1? When I go in,
I see no method to "fully uninstall" only disable.

Also can someone modify this step by step for a completely clean, new
install of Eclipse on OS X or Windows? What do I need to have on a virgin
install before starting all of this?

Thanks,
Aslam

P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other (maybe
commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If so what
are some of them?
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616638 is a reply to message #141437] Tue, 02 October 2007 18:54 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: richkulp.us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com

Full uninstall will only be available if you used the update manager to
install and HAD NOT used -clean option. If you used -clean or did not
use the update manager then you need to do it by hand. You need to
delete the features and plugins and run -clean.


Aslam Nathoo wrote:
> Chris Dolan wrote:
>
>> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
>
> Thanks for the step by step but how do I accomplish step 1? When I go
> in, I see no method to "fully uninstall" only disable.
>
> Also can someone modify this step by step for a completely clean, new
> install of Eclipse on OS X or Windows? What do I need to have on a
> virgin install before starting all of this?
>
> Thanks,
> Aslam
>
> P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other
> (maybe commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If
> so what are some of them?
>

--
Thanks,
Rich Kulp
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616639 is a reply to message #141437] Tue, 02 October 2007 22:48 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Aslam Nathoo" <aslam@13thfloor.com> wrote in message
news:95bbae2ddf00943f7edc6effd5d65f7e$1@www.eclipse.org...
> P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other (maybe
> commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If so what
> are some of them?
I doubt that is the reason.
This is a complex piece of code that may have scared many.
That may have been the reason.
Now the project is regaining steam, so thank you for your support!
As for Swing commercial editors there are many ones to pick from. GIYF :-).

For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616641 is a reply to message #141455] Wed, 03 October 2007 03:32 Go to previous message
Konstantin Scheglov is currently offline Konstantin Scheglov
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Philippe Ombredanne wrote:

> For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
> 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
> 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
> visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.

GWT is Java target.


Konstantin Scheglov,
Google, Inc.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616757 is a reply to message #141476] Thu, 11 October 2007 00:40 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Konstantin Scheglov" <kscheglov@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Philippe Ombredanne wrote:
>
> > For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
> > 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
> > 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
> > visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
>
> GWT is Java target.
True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
techniques?
Or not?

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616760 is a reply to message #141640] Thu, 11 October 2007 10:09 Go to previous message
Konstantin Scheglov is currently offline Konstantin Scheglov
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Philippe Ombredanne wrote:


>>> For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
>>> 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
>>> 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
>>> visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
>> GWT is Java target.
> True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
> techniques?
> Or not?

"Or not." :-)

You have classes with Java code and special methods with JavaScript code.
You can use special ClassLoader to (re)implement these methods to
execute this JavaScript code in browser. After this you can just execute
these classes in normal JVM. How do you think this is done in GWT hosted
mode or in GWT Designer?


Konstantin Scheglov,
Google, Inc.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616763 is a reply to message #141670] Sat, 13 October 2007 02:48 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Konstantin Scheglov" <kscheglov@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:felar7$3jv$1@build.eclipse.org...
> > True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
> > techniques?
> > Or not?
>
> "Or not." :-)
>
> You have classes with Java code and special methods with JavaScript
code.
> You can use special ClassLoader to (re)implement these methods to
> execute this JavaScript code in browser. After this you can just execute
> these classes in normal JVM. How do you think this is done in GWT hosted
> mode or in GWT Designer?
I shall reckon my complete lack of knowledge about the GWT internals for
now.
Help would be welcomed if we do something there.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616797 is a reply to message #140822] Tue, 23 October 2007 14:50 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: njagan.gmail.com

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the detailed instructions. I had spent more than a week and
was really going totally crazy with VE & Europa. Your article really
helped me immensely.

Thanks again!

Cheers!!!
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